Here is what's needed...

[B-DROID]

M0d f1ght!!!

[strawberryluna]

[RawMojo]

At least you offered at least a little cash RawMojo, I'll give you that. But if one of your band mates is unemployed, tell them to grab some old magazines and newspapers and start cutting and pasting letters and words together and pick up an old notebook and start drawing. Gotta start somewhere and it sounds like they could use the time productively for their one paying gig. Just a thought. DIY.

Thanks for at least being understanding. We do actually take the DIY approach but usually that is just myself. There are times where you just really want to see what someone can do or envision. Just thought I had a few bucks someone might want and offered it up. It worked out and we got a nice image to use sometime and they got to add something to their portfolio. I'm sure not everyone is here to make a buck, a few people must just simply enjoy creating posters and art, right? Of course we as artists want to be paid and recognized for out work and that is respectable. best of luck to all of you and if anyone wants to design some stuff for the pure fun of it for the band just let me know. We could work out some kind of mutual agreement.

[fantasygoat]

The elephant in the room here is that he found someone to do it for $20.

The real task is stopping people from taking these deals.

[RawMojo]

The elephant in the room here is that he found someone to do it for $20.

The real task is stopping people from taking these deals.

Why would you want to take away the free will of an individual who wants to do something for a mutual benefit?

[lil_tuffy]

As the only person in your band with a job, how would you feel if you lost your job because someone else said they'd do it for pennies compared to what you currently make? My guess is you probably wouldn't be too stoked.

Being passionate about your art and selling yourself short (and devaluing your entire field) are two very different things. I hope your band is one day successful enough to learn the difference.

[andypugh]

...but if someone wants to practice and get a little promotion this could be for you

Oh no you didn't.

Hey, I'm in need of a band to play at my house for the night. I can't pay you but if you want to practice and get a little promotion this could be for you.

[RawMojo]

As the only person in your band with a job, how would you feel if you lost your job because someone else said they'd do it for pennies compared to what you currently make? My guess is you probably wouldn't be too stoked.

Being passionate about your art and selling yourself short (and devaluing your entire field) are two very different things. I hope your band is one day successful enough to learn the difference.

I've been at a job that was completely outsourced to India and our work site was shut down. I just thought to myself on to bigger and better things and moved on. Getting pissed at something like that isn't going to help my situation but handling it will. There are a lot of people in the music industry arguing over the same ideals right now, selling yourself short which in turn devalues your field. A lot of it is due to dinosaur business models which I wouldn't think applies so much to your field here but maybe?

Entrepreneurial Business 101 you have to know your market, be competitive with pricing, and hopefully offer up something unique to your clientele. This is the most basic way of doing things. Of course there are other ways like offering specialized services at inflated prices to appear to have greater value (kind of like the difference between a t shirt for $10 compared to a high fashion t shirt for $300, they are both just cotton shirts but one claims to have more value because of a brand name). It's as simple as supply and demand. In this case I was looking for the $20 shirt. Where is the harm in that?

[RawMojo]

Oh no you didn't.

Hey, I'm in need of a band to play at my house for the night. I can't pay you but if you want to practice and get a little promotion this could be for you.

I'd do it, but that is just me. I do not place those expectations on others but I believe there are other people out there who think the same as I do and as far as this particular exchange made was proven right in this situation.

[Jason Dean]

Funny how people don't even consider offering a grocery store $20 and "a little promotion" in return for a week's worth of groceries....BECAUSE THE GROCERY STORE'S NOT STUPID ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY DO IT.