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Red Rose
Nick Butcher 
2002-10-06 13:13:25
A Perfect World Of Cranes

Milemarker Poster - Red Rose, Murfreesboro - Sonnenzimmer

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GrushkinSend Grushkin a message :   Today the Chicago Tribune asked me about Nick's postermaking and I talked at some length about the current Sonnenzimmer work w. Nadine, but also made sure to reference the great MILEMARKER poster. Yeah, baby! 221 comments   2012-07-06 16:28:45
GrushkinSend Grushkin a message :   Leia, you go girl. One of the all-time great threads.   2008-04-11 17:36:20
LeiaSend Leia a message :   BUMP.   2008-04-11 17:24:42
b_turnerSend b_turner a message :   look how far we've come since this... it's funny how this put so many people on their ear when nick posted this.... reading through this discussion is great. makes me wonder what would happen if this had been posted today instead of back then. Still remains as a great fucking piece, in every way...   2006-02-20 06:25:11
strawberrylunaSend strawberryluna a message :   so pretty.   2005-04-12 07:52:13
j.w.Send j.w. a message :   Beautiful randomization.   2004-05-16 11:28:18
PlantweedSend Plantweed a message :   I gotta admit, this wouldn't stop me in the street. Re: flipped astronauts...Frank, ever see THE NINTH CONFIGURATION?   2003-11-03 13:59:33
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   :roll:   2003-10-06 11:26:45
nemotronSend nemotron a message :   thats A LOT of comments   2003-10-05 17:08:00
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   randomized greatness.   2003-10-05 17:06:40
sockMONKEYSend sockMONKEY a message :   hand lettering...color...overprint...everything is incredible   2003-05-23 12:12:19
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   i saw dogstar on lager once, fuckin hilarious.   2002-10-17 11:29:10
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   You never met her man. Think Matrix on crack.   2002-10-17 11:21:09
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   aha, no dear boy, it would be normal, not trippy.   2002-10-17 11:19:58
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Anybody who's met my girlfriend would tell you that life would be mother fucking trippy if we all thought like her.   2002-10-17 11:14:31
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   wouldn't life be so boring if we all thought the same way.   2002-10-17 11:12:05
nerdlingSend nerdling a message :   Perhaps I was silly to think so, but I was under the impression that one purpose of this site was to showcase posters in a way that removes them from the context of simple paper advertisements and places them on a level where they can be discussed as art, not simply purposeful "doodles."
Personally, I don't like a majority of the posters that I see but I don't go out of my way to make snide comments about the work or the person that made it, whether they think they are making art or slapping colored paper on a wall. Time is only a small part of what it takes to make a creative endeavor worthwhile, as are technique, color, form, text and space. Picking each element apart doesn't do the work - or your critique - any justice.
Why not focus on what makes this good, rather than spending your time in a pissing contest over how much one person's opinion means?
If you like it, great. If you don't like it, great. Go look at something you do like and quit spoiling my view.
  2002-10-17 01:40:10
postergirlSend postergirl a message :   This is beautiful...reminds me of jay ryan's work   2002-10-16 22:55:14
DaveGinkSend DaveGink a message :   Wow, I'm surprised to see this still going. Maybe I shouldn't be adding to this debate but it's interesting. Also, I think these discussions go much deeper than the actual art being talked about.
Harry, you're not a bad guy and most likely you are not in the minority either. It seems to me that it's usually the minority that makes the biggest noise. And remember, the crowd here is primarily artists.
I like this as a piece of art but not as a gig poster. But that's me. I don't know the bands or what their fans are like. I would personally like to have seen it more legible even though I do like the free-form feel of the type. And I can respect the artist's aesthetic decision-making process on this.
I can't imagine any of my friends or band mates liking this poster though, but again that's them. And they tend to be more rock oriented.
  2002-10-16 16:50:05
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   this looks like it was drawn whilst falling 180 metres.   2002-10-16 16:22:40
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   actually he was quite the procrastinator, which is why he had to do it in three hours while his client was driving 180 miles to see the designs he busted it out. My point is there is no 'formula'. If time = better, then our governments would create perfect societies with their bueracracies.   2002-10-16 16:20:12
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   frank lloyd wright was a talented guy plast. it took him 3 hours, good for him, thats how it long it took him to do it, if he needed longer i'm sure he would have used the time effectively.   2002-10-16 16:09:26
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   harry your WRONG! - if you would have read Frank Lloyd Wright made the greatest piece of American Architecture - Falling Waters - in 3 hours (5 full mechanical) is that posible by your standards? I guess Falling Waters sucks because Henry said so. fool.   2002-10-16 15:54:38
Platinum RichSend Platinum Rich a message :   this work is obviously from the jay ryan school of poster design. similar color palette and the artist's style come before the band or its musical vibe. dig it.   2002-10-16 13:47:03
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   my eyes work perfectly fine thanks jeff, i realise i'm one of the bad guys here cause i'm not one of the people getting behind this poster, it doesn't do anything for me but it does for others, thats fair enough, but maybe if this poster is such a work of art, why don't some of u guys try this approach? it only takes about 30 seconds and plast, it makes common sense, if u spend longer on a piece, chances are its gonna look better than um a doodle. i find this debate rather amusing, the majority are saying how great this poster is while a few bad apples in the corner can't see how something like this warrants so much praise, its really mind boggling to me how so many of you are knocked out by this, if its not a doodle, what is it? i like sketchy lo-fi stuff aswell but i can't see how this one can stand out as much as some of u are suggesting, its not bad, okay i'll give it that, its not bad, but its not particularly good either. sorry if i've offended anyone who finds a couple of childs houses or milemarkers stimulating, maybe if durer had drawn like this he'd earn a few more fans like you folks. i've said my piece, cheers.   2002-10-16 11:28:16
lureSend lure a message :   well, maybe "pissed off" isn't very accurate, harry. frustrated is more like it. as chloe pointed out, making p-o-t-w doesn't make this the best poster ever. but, this is a very nice piece of work. but to sluff it off as "a bad doodle" seems short sighted. THAT is the kind of thing that i find frustrating.   2002-10-16 05:42:14
electroforkSend electrofork a message :   (200. wow.) i think it's lovely. i would hang it in my house. and i don't know the band.
i think the 2 structures, incidentally, are meant to be mile stones (such as the ones in france?). see? mile markers.
  2002-10-16 03:40:34
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   Comment #200 - woo hoo...nice work Nick, and congrats Clay and Kendra for picking a poster that lit the spark!   2002-10-15 21:15:12
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   and yes the VOLANTE is flat out amazing.   2002-10-15 21:08:32
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   I like Richies and Burwels alot, cant remember too many others.   2002-10-15 21:07:50
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   MY point is I love a wide range of work, as in music - love bach to King Crimson I just love good quality expression - I try to leave my taste open so that I get to experience things for what they are, not what I want them to be.   2002-10-15 21:07:07
KJSend KJ a message :   theres some screwups when you search for melvins. theres like 4 listings. i'll fix it...uhh soon.   2002-10-15 21:06:30
KJSend KJ a message :   i love that volante poster. when i made it my desktop wallpaper-- those were some of the happiest days of my life.   2002-10-15 21:04:06
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   Richies Melvins, and Aesthetic Apparatus' VOLANT two VERY different poster that I think are both good in their own right.   2002-10-15 21:02:33
KJSend KJ a message :   alright doods then give us some suggestions for poster of the week.   2002-10-15 21:01:20
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   well I am more punk than that, I am a community college drop out nah nah ni nah nah :p   2002-10-15 21:00:17
robschwagerSend robschwager a message :   School? wassdat?   2002-10-15 20:57:21
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Art School dropout and proud of it. Says it real big on my resume too. DROPOUT.   2002-10-15 20:56:07
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   Thats because the band was High on Fire and it had a monster like character so it was ok...I liked it too by the way...some people just cant appreciate something that is not in their taste. what lonely little souls ;)   2002-10-15 20:56:05
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   Yep, Austin Community College - your the fancy pants that went to 'Art' school mr glasses and such   2002-10-15 20:54:42
KJSend KJ a message :   by the way, the argument that this poster didn't take skill or talent? well, illustration wise you could probably say the same thing about last week's poster by Jay Vollmar. and EVERYBODY loved that one!!   2002-10-15 20:53:57
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Commercial art? Isn't that what they teach at DeVry?   2002-10-15 20:52:27
KJSend KJ a message :   most of the posters you see on the street look something like this:
a huge overload of information and images. a bunch of these on a brick wall or the side of the building is like a lot to take in. i always wonder if posters like the one i linked actually really DO succeed as advertisements. theres so much in them they seem to get lost. if i were to post just one of these milemarker posters amongst all the cramped, bold, bright posters i suspect this one would be ten times more eyecatching. if this poster was printed on butcher paper it might be something the bands/venue actually DID put up around town. i know its not like the others so the argument it fails as an advertisement-- i dont buy it.
incidentally, i didn't know clay was picking this as poster of the week. i'm not in love with it, as i said before i find it quite morose, but i'm SURE milemarker fans would dig it. poster of the week is mainly just to get people noticing something different, cool or unique. not like its a manifesto for all posters to look a certain way. as for clay's tastes being artsy-fartsy.. i dunno. i kind of doubt it. anyways, its weird to get hostile about a poster only cause its poster of the week. theres actually a few posters on this site that look similar to this one and nobody has bothered to say too much about them.
  2002-10-15 20:51:19
robschwagerSend robschwager a message :   me like art and posters and richie. i get tickle in my pants... heh   2002-10-15 20:50:18
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   no, actually the study is called commercial art - angel of death!   2002-10-15 20:49:00
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Isn't a dsigner talking about art kind of like people teaching religion in public schools? Seperation of church and state pal.   2002-10-15 20:47:40
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   yeah, poster art. :P   2002-10-15 20:46:03
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I've got a truckload of clues for you pal. This ain't art. It's posters.   2002-10-15 20:43:03
GrzecaSend Grzeca a message :   Ok , Ok, I wasnt being very civil there. Cut me some slack, I'm getting over an allergy attack.   2002-10-15 20:18:40
GrzecaSend Grzeca a message :   Jesus Christ you people need to get a fucking clue. Different people make different art- thats what makes life interesting - variety etc etc....god this thread makes my brain explode in frustration! I mean, slamming someone's drawing style and design approach because it is radically different than yours is beyond fucking grade school. Goddammit. (whew.)   2002-10-15 20:16:51
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   and richie, screenprinting aint hard, but until you have done it you may not respect some of the touches of texture that ae thrown in...or maybe its easier to just reproduce someone elses art work from the 60's?   2002-10-15 19:48:18
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   So now the ammount of time it takes makes it good? Frank Lloyd Wrights Falling Waters house must suck since it took him 3 hours to draw 5 full mechanicals.   2002-10-15 19:46:50
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   too late ritchie, i've already been converted, this is how my works gonna look from now on, i'm gonna be on 100 posters a day, u people had better start watchin out.   2002-10-15 17:43:58
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   It can't be that hard if you and Murphy can do it.
  2002-10-15 17:43:38
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Screnprinting is hard.   2002-10-15 17:36:44
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   okay i give up, its great, i love it, the man can certainly draw, must've taken hours, incredible.   2002-10-15 17:31:55
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   My point Harry is that if you dont screenprint, which by not answering my question I guess you dont, then quite possibly you dont understand why many like it. Since many that like it actually DO get their hands inky.   2002-10-15 17:29:12
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   oh its screen printed is is? why didn't anyone tell me? the guys a friggin genius! poster of the week! saying im not jealous obviously means i am, okay then i AM jealous, this is reminding me of monty python.   2002-10-15 17:22:00
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   and its obvious you are jeavlous, saying your not is a failed attempt at hidding your words.   2002-10-15 17:17:58
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   harry - what kid would be able to screen print a poster himself? have you? what kid would use a texture (the wood grain on the building) to fill in a space like a bldg? your comments are just filled with frustration and spite, not consructive in critique at all. tact can make a big difference in making a statement.   2002-10-15 17:16:52
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   why u pissed off jeff? is it cos some of us don't think this poster's much cop?! okay i admit it, i'm jealous, my whole life is geared towards winning poster of the week some day, its what keeps me alive, u've found me out. some of us like it some of us don't, i'm just still trying to figure out how anyone can get so excited about this piece of work. i've been here before, debating the artistic merits of a childs scribble and it doesn't make sense to me. i really don't understand how this could be concieved as a great or even good drawing, if i were an art teacher and a pupil brought this to my desk i would have trouble keeping a straight face. its like something outta the simpsons, oh yes, the air of mystery surrounding this piece, evokes a spirit of appraisal etc yadda yadda its a kids drawing whatever big words u bestow on it, thats my point, its not jealousy, i'm just an opposite opinion, sorry.   2002-10-15 17:11:23
lureSend lure a message :   there's a lot to read here.
and most of it pisses me off.
  2002-10-15 16:38:36
lureSend lure a message :   yep, it kinda does, max. and jay's poster exceptional.   2002-10-15 16:28:22
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I like this poster because it reminds me of Jay Ryans posters.
Jay Ryans posters are truley exceptional.
In my opinion.
  2002-10-15 16:08:14
seripopSend seripop a message :   i just think the negi comments sound like sour grapes to me poster of the week big deal does it mean best poster ever? no does it mean u win money and influence? no it just means that clay and or kendra liked it. how can anyone but them deciede what they like ? saying it's not worthy is pretty rude. i hate alot of shit but taste is taste and everyone's got it.   2002-10-15 15:52:10
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Who said that? I think my eyes are deceiving me. Can I direct everyones attention this way.   2002-10-15 15:48:24
Platinum RichSend Platinum Rich a message :   i go for the train wreck. can't take your eyes off it.   2002-10-15 15:47:30
seripopSend seripop a message :   can't believe everyone's in such a tizzy over this u don't like it? who cares. get over it   2002-10-15 15:46:58
EMOfagSend EMOfag a message :   dan - this poster rules because of what i said in the second half of the last post.   2002-10-15 15:45:27
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   I like the imagery to stand out and to support the information...not a train wreck. and I am not saying that YOU use fonts in that manner I am saying that I choose not to.   2002-10-15 15:44:03
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   and I choose to be conservative on my font usage(usually stick to a max of two) as opposed to throwing 5 or more fonts that clash like plaid on sandpaper.   2002-10-15 15:42:31
Platinum RichSend Platinum Rich a message :   i must apologize. i just received 10 pm's in the last 30 seconds telling me crackhouse is a typeface not a font.   2002-10-15 15:41:46
Dan ApparatusSend Dan Apparatus a message :   I don't think this is a good POSTER because it's causing a controversey (that white stripes vibrator one is still dumb) but it is worthy of POTW in our little community.
I can't believe I'm still having to defend this.
  2002-10-15 15:40:56
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   design nazi, uhmmm - ok. I made no stab at you, a bit sensative dont yah think? I actually like your work richie...for realz. I am making the point that many who dis this ohh and ahhh over work that is alot more off base from the band and far less conscious of a relative 'feel' of a band and put their own taste in front of a bands image. I reitterate I was not speaking about your work specifically Richie.   2002-10-15 15:40:37
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I don't know about using Crackhouse, but I might have tried to incorporate Shotgun Blanks.   2002-10-15 15:39:20
Platinum RichSend Platinum Rich a message :   the crackhouse font would have made this badass.   2002-10-15 15:38:02
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Are you so bold as to call my layout and type skills half assed? Raise the degree of dificulty a bit Mr. Cross and go for THREE type faces on a poster and stop being the design Nazi.   2002-10-15 15:37:24
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   and a lot of people really like designer wanking off - as opposed to half assed give shit about layout and type laziness ;)   2002-10-15 15:33:28
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I guess no one else can really see how offensive this is.
See, this dude basically masturbated on a piece of paper and called it a poster. Designer wanking off is what I see.
  2002-10-15 15:26:45
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   good, something needs to offend you :)   2002-10-15 15:24:38
EMOfagSend EMOfag a message :   standard has hit the nail on the head. im going to have to disagree with the assumption that a gigposter works because it causes debate or discussion here. ive heard far too many times on this site the excuse of "this poster is doing its job because you all are giving it so much attention" in relation to so many t&a posters on this site, and to me an artist who excuses any criticism based on that is just plain lazy.
i dont know what was going through the artist's head when he was creating this. i dont know that there is an underlying concept that i am not seeing, but what i do know is that the aesthetic of this poster DOES draw in the type of folks that listen to this band. the aesthetic is matched to the aesthetic of the band, and that is why it works.
  2002-10-15 15:24:09
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I find this poster offensive.   2002-10-15 15:23:45
guyburSend guybur a message :   it's lovely. what's the mystery?   2002-10-15 15:20:30
standardSend standard a message :   agh. to me, sometimes the whole "it's attention getting" thing just ceases to be a believable sort of yardstick to measure a poster by. often a poster "stands out" compared to others not because it's super-better, but just because it's in color and everything around it is a photocopy, or maybe it's on a bigger piece of paper or something. placed next to "typical" gigposters, this poster would indeed stand out. placed next to universally-agreed upon awesome gig posters, a Times-New Roman-on-white-paper-Mazda-pickup-for-sale-flyer would grab my attention.
i'm not 100% sure what i'm getting at. just trying to kill the last half hour of work.
simply put, i love these milk cartons.
  2002-10-15 15:19:34
dustin wallaceSend dustin wallace a message :   love stinks yeah, yeah   2002-10-15 15:17:34
EMOfagSend EMOfag a message :   richie's right, must be emo ... i love it. mmmm love.
  2002-10-15 15:16:28
lureSend lure a message :   nice to see this poster getting so much attention. even if some of you don't dig it. it's a thang a beauty. and i think on a wall plastered with yer typical gig posters, this would be the stand out poster   2002-10-15 15:10:22
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I know who they are. EMO. Smells like EMO, tastes like's EMO.   2002-10-15 15:03:13
seripopSend seripop a message :   milermarker are far from "emo"   2002-10-15 14:58:03
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   ahhh! So it's EMO crap. No wonder I didn't get it. I'm just not in touch with my feminine side I guess.   2002-10-15 14:56:15
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   as a singular advertisement it might not be that effective for the people this doesn't speak to. that's why there's weekly publications-to inform people what's going on. posters are secondary advertisements. i think anybody who likes this band and didn't know they were coming probably were drawn straight to this...   2002-10-15 14:48:10
Zombie Space DogSend Zombie Space Dog a message :   I don't buy it. Sorry. I couldn't read it even after the luxury of sitting here studying it. I didn't know it said Milemarker until someone else said it. Much less the word cranes and I could never read the venue info. No amount of telling me how it works because it'so pretty or speaks to the bands audience will convince me it's effective. I couldn't imagine bothering with it if there are a whole wall of other posters competing with it. Just 'cause it's pretty doesn't mean it's effective. guys can believe what ever ya want...that's just my opinion.   2002-10-15 14:35:45
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Again. I'm confused. Obviously I'm the dumbshit.   2002-10-15 14:23:48
robertmethaneSend robertmethane a message :   Obviously people are attracted to this visually therefore it is an effective advertisement. Some posters don't need to be read from across the street. It's all personal preference obviously.   2002-10-15 14:10:41
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   to me it seems like it speaks exactly to it's audience. sounds like good advertising.   2002-10-15 14:05:02
Zombie Space DogSend Zombie Space Dog a message :   I'm not talking about aesthetics. While this is not to my personal taste, that's not my point.
My point is function. As an advertising poster I think it fails.
  2002-10-15 13:49:17
seripopSend seripop a message :   besides, since when is there a set aesthetic for a show poster? there a million diffrent types of music and a million types of music fans.....   2002-10-15 13:42:55
robertmethaneSend robertmethane a message :   One persons definition of a gigposter can be different from another persons.   2002-10-15 13:40:36
seripopSend seripop a message :   well zsd, u probably wouldn't like the bands they are both "artsy-fartsy"   2002-10-15 13:36:50
Zombie Space DogSend Zombie Space Dog a message :   I'm with everyone who thinks as a gig poster this fails. I don't care how pretty some of you may think it is or whatever. It's unreadable. Especially for stuff that at most gets 5 seconds of someones time to get accross the info. Those of you that think people will stop and study this stuff are living in a fantasy land. Maybe one or two out of dozens of people that may pass it walking into a record store.
I worked at a record store for years right next to the posters...that's how I became a poster fan...this one would fail. And the people that are telling me that they can easily read this....well good for you 'cause I sure can't.
As far as poster of the week. If the idea is to pick a poster that's gonna start a controversy then this wins. I think it's more 'cause Clay likes this kinda stuff. It's pretty obvious when you look back at all the picks...the bulk are the "artsy-fartsy" ones.
  2002-10-15 13:35:28
HYNESSend HYNES a message :   Good comment. This has tons of it, and it shows effortlessly   2002-10-15 13:20:36
seripopSend seripop a message :   i'm a fan of work with soul   2002-10-15 13:19:14
standardSend standard a message :   i like this picture because it looks like a large milk carton and a small milk carton sitting together on a table that is covered by a beige tablecloth. the table legs - as well as the clamoring kitchen full of youngsters demanding more calcium - are cropped off, leaving the two milk cartons alone with themselves. the lettering is a little hard to read, but downright pretty.   2002-10-15 13:05:33
HYNESSend HYNES a message :   the composition is right for these elements   2002-10-15 12:44:59
robertmethaneSend robertmethane a message :   What attracted me to this poster was the color and shapes used to create the space. To me it is simply an attractive piece because of it's design. Drawing skills isn't the point of this poster..--I believe.   2002-10-15 12:42:20
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   Even though Dan and I sit about 3 feet from each other we've decided to only communicate via web boards.
It's weird that this one caused such an uproar. I would've guessed that it please both the "designer" and "illustrator" camps.
  2002-10-15 12:39:57
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   i hate yngwie. i'd rather listen to louie, louie on one string. but then again, i vocally harmonize with the sound of my vacuum cleaner.   2002-10-15 12:38:18
Dan ApparatusSend Dan Apparatus a message :   hehe, your comments about this not being worthy of poster of the week made it worthy of being poster of the week. shit.
So, Harry, what would go through your mind if Malmsteen then got up on stage and plinked out Louie Louie?
  2002-10-15 12:37:44
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   A computer could probably emulate the sound of a guitar playing classical scales on a guitar 1000 times faster and more accurate than Yngwie. Would you rather listen to that?
  2002-10-15 12:35:35
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   oh and the technical wankery argument brought up by chloe earlier in the thread, lets say there was a guitar playing competition and u had yngwie malmsteen or whatever and u had a guy playing louie louie on one string, who's the better guitarist? i'm no fan of widdly wanky plank spanking either but if my life depended on finding a decent guitar player and i had the choice between yngwie and louie louie on one string, i know which one i'd pick.....yngwie of course (just in case u were havin probs figuring out the answer)(wink)   2002-10-15 12:22:59
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   okay i see what u mean now, thing is tho, my comments were saying this poster was basically unworthy of being potw! damn u've confused me now, dammit, poster of the week! (sarcasm) (wink)   2002-10-15 12:07:48
Dan ApparatusSend Dan Apparatus a message :   Hey Harry, all I meant was that the fact that it is causing a controversey makes it worthy. I just picked you out cuz you were the first one to say something. I say, any poster that gets us all talking is worthy of something.   2002-10-15 12:05:52
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   the nature of my comments makes this a worthy poster of the week? mr apparatus what are u talkin about? i suppose the fact that i'm not falling in line with the opinion that this is such a great poster makes for a good enough reason that i should be contradicted? makes sense doesn't it, the guy at the back of the class who just wants to point out the obvious, i.e that this poster is a doodle and not even a very good doodle, once again is looked upon as being the harbinger of misery and bile and the bringer of bad tidings for the mere misdemeanour of suggesting this isn't a particularly good drawing. i've looked at this picture with an open mind, maybe if i thought hard enough it could be, at best, kinda sweet; if ur having trouble trying to figure out why i think this poster is just a tad over-rated, imagine the brain racking that i'm having to do to try and see ur point in this being a worthy poster of the week! if this is an "art school" piece then put it this way, if i had paid money to be taught how to draw like this, i'd ask for a refund.   2002-10-15 11:56:59
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   In my town, there's a restaurant called Montana's where they cover the tables with butcher paper and give you crayons. Great way to pass the time before the food comes.   2002-10-14 23:48:53
Dan ApparatusSend Dan Apparatus a message :   whoa, sorry about the double layer post.   2002-10-14 23:47:04
Dan ApparatusSend Dan Apparatus a message :   I don't care if this poster was done with the artist's own shit in 5 seconds. The fact that you think it wouldn't take long to do or that "your granny could do it" is a useless arguement that elderly people 60 years ago used for work that didn't fit their category of "art."
I do have to admit that I don't know what this poster has to do with milemarker (we could maybe make some allusion to country roads and milemarkers and barns/silos but this ain't not country band) but that's not the point.
This poster looks nothing like anything else on this site. I can only assume that this is the largest archive of american gig poster art on the planet so I feel like I can safely say that there has never been a gigposter like this before. maybe it doesn't represent the band perfectly or maybe it's a bit illegible but you have to admit that it is pleasing to the eye and in my opinion wholly original. That's why it's a good gigposter.
Thank you.
  2002-10-14 23:45:47
Dan ApparatusSend Dan Apparatus a message :   I don't care if this poster was done with the artist's own shit in 5 seconds. The fact that you think it wouldn't take long to do or that "your granny could do it" is a useless arguement that elderly people 60 years ago used for work that didn't fit their category of "art."
I do have to admit that I don't know what this poster has to do with milemarker (we could maybe make some allusion to country roads and milemarkers and barns/silos but this ain't not country band) but that's not the point.
This poster looks nothing like anything else on this site. I can only assume that this is the largest archive of american gig poster art on the planet so I feel like I can safely say that there has never been a gigposter like this before. maybe it doesn't represent the band perfectly or maybe it's a bit illegible but you have to admit that it is pleasing to the eye and in my opinion wholly original. That's why it's a good gigposter.
Thank you.
  2002-10-14 23:44:34
Bradley W. ZimmermanSend Bradley W. Zimmerman a message :   i love butcher paper. used far too much of it at art school. i worked at the campus deli for a while just for the free paper.
so what will it take to get you to part with a few of those stickers? ;)
  2002-10-14 23:37:09
iamprogrammableSend iamprogrammable a message :   this turd was achally printed on some butcher's paper i found in an abandoned meat packing plant...scary....i also found about a roll of about 22,000 stickers that say "SKINLESS BONELESS BREAKFAST TREATS" twas a good day   2002-10-14 23:34:20
kozikSend kozik a message :   you could craft him a nice drool bucket.   2002-10-14 19:36:36
seripopSend seripop a message :   not into druggies but sounds like he'd make fer good photos   2002-10-14 19:35:34
JGexSend JGex a message :   rotflmao@Goad!   2002-10-14 19:33:03
goad74Send goad74 a message :   Well, yah if you're into acid freak junkie retards.   2002-10-14 19:30:55
kozikSend kozik a message :   just roll around naked in some barbed wire then pour a bottle of ink over yourself. instant bodypiece.   2002-10-14 19:30:52
seripopSend seripop a message :   sounds hella sexy.....   2002-10-14 19:23:29
goad74Send goad74 a message :   That reminds of a kid here in town a few years was tripping on acid and scribbled all over his arms with a tattoo machine. It actually looked kind of cool.   2002-10-14 19:21:11
seripopSend seripop a message :   i would let this guy tattoo my entire body in his handwritting   2002-10-14 19:17:30
kozikSend kozik a message :   I'd like to have this as a painting sans script.   2002-10-14 19:14:18
seripopSend seripop a message :   i'm not surprised at all people DO take the ewfort to read stuff that draws em in   2002-10-14 19:01:01
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   yall need glasses? its not difficult at all for me. And I am sure anyone who was a fan of this bands 'genre' would also notice this poster amongst a sea of tit and ass posters and see it as unique creative playful departure.   2002-10-14 18:58:28
JGexSend JGex a message :   I don't hate this poster at all.... I just never have thought that anything difficult to read makes for good advertising. As an art print or CD cover, this is beautiful... if the poster reflected that CD cover, it would give it great continuity.
I wuz trained to make it legible... damn newspaper. :o)
  2002-10-14 18:56:24
kozikSend kozik a message :   perhaps consider it 'ungood'.
doubleplus duckspeak
  2002-10-14 18:55:54
JephSend Jeph a message :   Who said hates...?   2002-10-14 18:54:50
kozikSend kozik a message :   a perfect world of cranes
I am just surprised that the usually discerning mob hates this poster. it's really really good.
  2002-10-14 18:51:47
JephSend Jeph a message :   And "Impact" is a fine font.   2002-10-14 18:43:33
JGexSend JGex a message :   Where IS that little rolling eye emoticon?
  2002-10-14 18:42:49
JephSend Jeph a message :   No but it should be legible!   2002-10-14 18:41:50
goad74Send goad74 a message :   A garbled whisper, tho.   2002-10-14 18:41:02
seripopSend seripop a message :   good lord sometimes a wisper can be more effective than a shout sorry but a poster doen't need to be in impact bold and have bright colors to be a legible show poster   2002-10-14 18:39:00
JephSend Jeph a message :   We KNOW you like it Frank. From the 10 comments you've made.   2002-10-14 18:36:36
goad74Send goad74 a message :   A poster maybe, but not an EFFECTIVE gigposter.
Otherwise I'd know what it's a perfect world of. Still can't decipher that word.
  2002-10-14 18:36:13
kozikSend kozik a message :   SPOCKROCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what a fuckin excellent word.
this poster fucking rules by the way.
  2002-10-14 18:32:53
seripopSend seripop a message :   what else would it be on the street other than a poster?   2002-10-14 18:31:01
goad74Send goad74 a message :   That's what I was thinking Judy. As an art print it's ok, but as an advertisement for a show in my opinion it fails, for the simple fact that the information is hard to make out, especially from a distance.
Also, I've seen Milemarker play here in town and if I remember right their show was full of a lot of energy with the keyboardist doing cartwheels and shit across the stage.
This one says Spockrockers and Hair-farmers to me.
  2002-10-14 18:25:00
scrojoSend scrojo a message :   ...if this had a half-naked woman coming out of the 'outhouse'.....then it would exceptional.   2002-10-14 17:59:15
JGexSend JGex a message :   I just want to know how many of you would recognize this as a gig poster if you were walking down the street....
It's a beautiful art print, but can't say that it works for me as a gig poster. But, that's just me....
  2002-10-14 17:58:03
kozikSend kozik a message :   over 100   2002-10-14 17:52:46
JephSend Jeph a message :   Hey, what's the record for most comments on a poster?   2002-10-14 17:49:07
JephSend Jeph a message :   I'm not trying to discount the talent and creativity it took to do this piece. I'm just trying to say it doesn't touch the same chords or emotions in every person. There's no doubt that this takes creativity. I don't think he just sat down and "crapped" it out. But it doesn't hold all the secrets of life either. .. for me anyways.   2002-10-14 17:47:16
seripopSend seripop a message :   micheal, i couldn't agree more. i'm more into an overall cohesive and emotionally moving piece than technical wankery   2002-10-14 17:19:40
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   I prefer illustrations like this over overly technical "perfect" illustrations. Just like I prefer messy rock n' roll over a perfectly performed opera.
Anybody can learn to draw. This has more behind it.
  2002-10-14 16:47:38
stinkbaitSend stinkbait a message :   "I'll bet the guy who did it didn't thinkn that long and hard about it."
You see I bet he did. This is more of an art print than a poster. However it works well as both. It has the feel of the band. If you sat down as a painter to put this on canvas you'd put thought into which brush and what medium to use to acheive the final result. Why would anyone discount this as "no effort" just because it was ultimately made into an advertisement? Very nice job choosing complimentary colours, utilizing the image and text weight to balance the negative space. It's a very nice piece and so's all of Nick's work. He's not just blinking his eyes and crapping this stuff out... Nick chime in and tell us we're all wrong...
  2002-10-14 15:55:47
maynardSend maynard a message :   Nothing really to say except that this is very nicly done. (And I didn't want to be the only one that didn't comment! #72!!)   2002-10-14 15:26:22
kozikSend kozik a message :   I am not talking about the representational aspects rather the balance, texture, over all 'emotional' impact etc.
you school stuff.
  2002-10-14 15:03:20
JephSend Jeph a message :   Hey Goad, just because you don't see the "whole picture" doesn't make you and intellectual midget. I certainly don't see the whole picture when I look at this. I see a "big" house and I see a "little" house. With some type on top and some type on the bottom. I don't hate it by any stretch of the imagination. But I think some people on this site are reading just a little too much into this particular piece. I'll bet the guy who did it didn't thinkn that long and hard about it.   2002-10-14 15:01:39
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   Harry is just mad he has never gotten poster of the week. its ok Harry - you have good company. :)   2002-10-14 14:46:14
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   Man, the more 'minimal' something is the harder it is to get right. the weight, balance, type, tone of color all have to be on for it to work, and this does. it does hit a very japanese shinto taste of organic items seen in their natural state - like in the wood texture used to screen the house and the earthy texture used for the ground. its real good! and thats an understatement.   2002-10-14 14:40:48
kozikSend kozik a message :   this is the beauty of this piece. it looks knocked off, but the degree of forethought and skill is insane. Harry no way could yer Gran do this. It's almost like japanese in the weight of brushtrokes and the perfect balnca and tension. This shit is really hard to do. I have like total respect for this Shojii screen motherfucker.
this is like a work of pure natural balance. totally killer.
if you can't see
the more I look at it the better it gets. i could never pull this off...this is like flow.....
  2002-10-14 14:32:05
Dan ApparatusSend Dan Apparatus a message :   Harry, just the nature of your posts make this poster worthy of poster of the week.   2002-10-14 13:35:36
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   chloe u could do far better urself, in ur sleep probably.   2002-10-14 12:26:51
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   maybe the artist lost his right arm in a battle with a man eating aligator in the swamps of mississippi and was forced to learn how to draw with his left hand which had been mangled a year previously under a steam roller and he uses only the natural materials available to him, such as twigs and leaves and mud, if that were the case i'd say yea, good job, hardly poster of the week material but u gotta hand it to the guy, in spite of everything he can still hold a paint brush.   2002-10-14 12:25:48
seripopSend seripop a message :   u wouldn't like milemarker i'm sure BUT milemarker fans (and potential milemarker fans) would love this i had a few guest this week and they've all been oohing and ahhing over this AND they are all milemarker fans i dunno it's great to see original styles on here so many peeps just rip others off (including me) that it's great to see someone who isn't obviously inspired/copying other "rock art" the whole thing looks very eastern asian or isreali or something the hand writting throws me over the edge i'm buying one   2002-10-14 12:21:30
goad74Send goad74 a message :   Hey Harry,
Between you and I, I agree with a lot of you said. Please don't tell anyone I said that. I'm afraid people will think I'm stupid for not seeing the "whole picture".
  2002-10-14 12:20:04
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   sorry i don't really mean to sound like a cock.(wink)   2002-10-14 12:18:55
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   never heared of milemarker, in which case if i saw this poster i wouldn't know they were playing anyway, and would miss out on that possible life changing experience of a milemarker gig, its therefore preaching to the converted. i don't know if its that obvious he can lay stuff out, its obvious he can doodle, can u doodle? i can doodle too?!   2002-10-14 12:17:45
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   i think it must be this picture melting everyone's brains. sorry if i sound like i'm intentionally goin against the grain jeph, i'm not really as bitter as my last post suggested, honest, i'm just makin observations like everyone else does; i was just a little bit perplexed at this poster being poster of the week, was this really the best one? i can see the varying ways and different perceptions of what makes something bad or good or both but as i mentioned beforehand, thats just my imagination, not the artists, and once i have done that, what am i left with? a doodle my gran could do and an aching head!   2002-10-14 12:15:11
seripopSend seripop a message :   i think it's pretty obvious that this guy can draw and lay shit out also i don't have a hard time at all reading that it's a milemarker poster. maybe yr gran should do some posters! was this done with a brush or speedball pens?   2002-10-14 12:10:40
JephSend Jeph a message :   Harry i don't think your missing anything. If you don't like it, then you don't like. It's just your opinion. It's not wrong. I'm not particularly knocked out by this either. But I wouldn't say it doesn't take any talent. It's just not my cup of tea. They're just opinions. People see things diffrently...jeez I sound like a hippy. Can we all hold hands and sing a little song.   2002-10-14 12:06:11
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   it looks more like a not very good doodle with some unreadable scrawl to me, if something so simple and childlike could be considered a good poster then surely everyone on the planet is a good poster artist whatever they do, my old gran could scrawl a picture of a house and scribble the name of milemarb 92 perfect world of orvavo on it and u guys would go hoopla over it, maybe it looks serene and enigmatic but thats what ur placing upon it urself, the basic fact of the matter is that its a doodle that my gran could do and i'd probably say she could do better, 1 out of ten for effort, 10 for achievement, some people get all the luck.
mr bitter
  2002-10-14 12:04:19
robertmethaneSend robertmethane a message :   different and deserving.   2002-10-14 11:59:35
kozikSend kozik a message :   enigmatic, serene perfectly balanced amazing technique. its a winner.   2002-10-14 11:58:15
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   i don't like it either, firstly it fails miserably in advertising a gig, what the fuck? milemarb 92 perfect world of orvavo? eh? its not exactly easily readible or even particularly readible if u take the time to try and read it. secondly it could have been drawn by my cat, okay maybe i'm missing the point, maybe the fact that this poster is so great and a worthy poster of the week is because its such a bad drawing! oh i get it now, its irony or sumthin, yea the fact that he can't actually draw, makes him a good poster artist. not wanting to sound like the fool who can't see something that everyone can or anything but put it this way, if thats all i could come up with i wouldnt even bother trying to draw. no offense mr butcher, hats off to ya, u've pulled a real homer with this one. (wink)   2002-10-14 11:51:33
GaitherSend Gaither a message :   in that case - it rocks!   2002-10-13 20:17:22
kozikSend kozik a message :   the little house has a well...a well that's lined with living the bottom of the well...
well, you really don't want to know.
  2002-10-13 19:26:38
goad74Send goad74 a message :   Emporer's New Clothes.
I don't see it.
  2002-10-13 19:06:09
kozikSend kozik a message :   it's Ok Jeff...real evil things are going on inside the little houses....   2002-10-13 16:33:19
GaitherSend Gaither a message :   I dont like it.   2002-10-13 16:31:19
jayryanSend jayryan a message :   his work is great, but he smells a little too much like a wet rabbit, likes wrestling chairs into submission, and draws on all these little scraps of paper that i'm still finding around my shop two months after he's left.   2002-10-13 16:16:41
lureSend lure a message :   i meant to say "a most deserving..." not "the..." many other fine posters have made p.o.w.   2002-10-13 11:22:06
lureSend lure a message :   the most deserving poster of the week. beautiful.   2002-10-13 11:10:31
seripopSend seripop a message :   i just think it's beautifull and one of best posters i've seen on hear in abit.. i REALLY want one   2002-10-13 10:42:37
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   that is, love IT - damn gorilla mits.   2002-10-13 10:40:24
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   bravo *clapping and cheers* bravo - love in Harry waxes poetic!   2002-10-13 10:39:59
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   okay okay, words can't express the deep warmth of perception that this particular piece does for me, its almost as though the artist has stumbled upon this child like essence in his work, quite by accident, as if the clouds opened and showered the fruits of the chosen one upon his loins in a sweeping quest for the conversive dilemmas that present themselves to us in todays society, the simplistic, childlike rendering of this piece, is startling, the house next to the shed, and vice versa, the contradictions that this tortured spirit faces from within has flowered a simple but moving gesture upward thru the smoke of complicity and laden the hand of jordan beneath the solemn brow of the dying slave.   2002-10-13 10:37:01
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   it is isnt it ;) now answer!   2002-10-13 10:30:20
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   that is the question.   2002-10-13 10:27:46
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   then, why comment?   2002-10-13 10:26:29
Steve HSend Steve H a message :   no comment.   2002-10-13 10:25:38
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   texture, color, simplicity, unique, layout, beauty, its reallly nice. IMHO, to each their own.   2002-10-13 01:02:15
JephSend Jeph a message :   what's all the hub-bub, bub?   2002-10-13 00:30:20
DeckerSend Decker a message :   Think about it this way, could you handle seeing the earth from space? I think I'd be a bit buggy too.   2002-10-12 23:27:35
steve wSend steve w a message :   Did anyone see the news footage of Buzz Aldrin punching some guy in the face after he asked Buzz to put his hand on a Bible and swear that he walked on the moon?   2002-10-12 23:23:14
kozikSend kozik a message :   astronauts all have had a high incidence of depression, early death, freak outs. they spend their lives building to the moment, then it's over. Imean, if you went to the Moon, how the fuck could you get worked up over anything ever again? That's why I'd cut my tether.   2002-10-12 23:19:58
dustin wallaceSend dustin wallace a message :   or maybe he doesn't want to talk about it being a hollywood production, right? kidding, of course, some folks like them conspiracies. i wonder if going to space has affected anyone else like that, and if anyone will go back to the moon. not sure why we should, i guess. maybe when those japanese toy mfrs pay you $20 million you can pay for a trip to space.   2002-10-12 23:17:12
kozikSend kozik a message :   he apparentley was so blown away by the experience he can't deal with it. never talks about it ever. like he had the ULTIMATE MOMENT. all else pales.   2002-10-12 23:13:02
dustin wallaceSend dustin wallace a message :   oh, i get it, texas humor.   2002-10-12 23:12:47
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   he is off winnning the tour de france   2002-10-12 23:12:02
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   astronauts spent 6 hours in a space walk today adding pieces to the space station, what a job.   2002-10-12 23:11:43
dustin wallaceSend dustin wallace a message :   ok, but what's the deal with armstrong - why hasn't anyone seen him in the last 30 years?   2002-10-12 23:11:31
steve wSend steve w a message :   Oh, those Astronauts.   2002-10-12 23:10:26
kozikSend kozik a message :   Astronauts are the best. they went to the moon. My greates fantasy is to like walk in space. fuck, i'd cut the tether and dig my death. awesome way to go.
make a wish on my shooting star.
  2002-10-12 23:09:57
kozikSend kozik a message :   Sir Richard Francis Burton Benjamin Disreali Ferdinand De Lesseps
et al.
  2002-10-12 23:08:40
dustin wallaceSend dustin wallace a message :   astronauts?   2002-10-12 23:08:17
steve wSend steve w a message :   Truman Capote and Buzz Aldrin RULE.   2002-10-12 23:07:21
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   definately deserving of the poster of the week, really nice body of work he has.   2002-10-12 23:06:31
kozikSend kozik a message :   most of my heros are eccentric Victorians or Astronauts.   2002-10-12 23:03:21
steve wSend steve w a message :   And that's why you're my hero. (Well, after Chloe.) It's late and I'm Tired and I seem to be inadvertantly offending people again. I'm going to sleep now.   2002-10-12 22:54:39
kozikSend kozik a message :   It's the 'hobby' of hanging out in the Punk scene turned into a living. If I ever strike it rich I just want a lot of old books and a nice haunted mansion and some fetching female valets. Big greenhouse with a wheelchair where I can like, read.   2002-10-12 22:49:09
steve wSend steve w a message :   Atta boy !   2002-10-12 22:47:35
kozikSend kozik a message :   my designs are meant for mass consumption or as a joke. I have none of it at home, never have. I like morbid antiques and strange creepy oil paintings.
Nothing in my house made after like 1920, except for the lightbulbs, and kitchen appliances. Hell, I usually use candles to tell the truth. I hate the modern world, but am fascinated with it's subcultures. All of my projects..the posters, the label and now the toys are like a big 'semiotic experiment'. Left to my own devices i'd have nothing to do with it at all.
  2002-10-12 22:44:37
steve wSend steve w a message :   I know, I know. Just kidding.   2002-10-12 22:39:45
kozikSend kozik a message :   ? my artwork does not reflect my personal taste.   2002-10-12 22:34:45
steve wSend steve w a message :   But Frank, it doesn't look anything like you   2002-10-12 22:33:39
kozikSend kozik a message :   I really really like this   2002-10-12 22:21:40
KJSend KJ a message :   morose.   2002-10-12 19:40:23
seripopSend seripop a message :   beautifull i want one   2002-10-12 15:54:35
ferrettegirlSend ferrettegirl a message :   The colours are just perfect. Understated, it's dreamy with that scrawl.   2002-10-08 18:30:37
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   I love the type...sweet.   2002-10-08 15:45:33
kozikSend kozik a message :   This fellas stuff is reeeeeeeel good.   2002-10-07 16:44:11
5RockSend 5Rock a message :   Great poster... makes me take a look at my own work and realize I might get a bit too wordy... next piece will be bands-date-venue for sure. All of these pieces are great.   2002-10-07 14:29:49
HYNESSend HYNES a message :   love the texture & type. this is the most striking of the 3.   2002-10-06 14:26:22
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