As one of the other artists who did a poster for this show I'd have to say I agree with the majority of whats being said about creative/originality issues with this....As far as dealing w/money,etc. I do posters for the love of the music and to build my portfolio....Right now its nothing more than a hobby which I occasionally make a few dollars off of....money means nothing in relation to continually pushing youre own artistic boundaries
No matter what you think or how you feel about Frazzeta it must be acknowleged that he is the real deal when it come to his technique and ability. A true master.
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Just posing a question: if a band were interested in using an image that you had used in a poster (of which you still retained the rights of usage) and were willing to pay a few Grand for it - you'd refuse, right?
don't get me started on temporal shifts. it's been a rough day already. i've seen frazetta's "improved" overpaintings. ugh. man, did he fuck up come classics.
he probably painted over it anyway. he kept painting over the top of his classic paintings to "improve" them. the result is that many of his classic images were destroyed by the artist himself.
very gay,
casey -
you are absolutely correct. i'm a big enough nerd that i went back and finally found old copies of eerie and creepy and looked at thier back issue ads. it's not there. so, you win 100%. i am wrong.
so, i guess that means that frazetta really should not be taken seriously because he did a cover FOR molly hatchet, right? he was that big of a turd. too bad. i thought i was defending his integrity. ah, well...
here's a really cool site with ALL the warren covers (creepy, eerie, vampirella), since we've digressed. i love those mags. http://www.pixeltube.com/wmc/index.html
don't make me have a nerd-off with you, art!
regardless, art's point stands: the images were licensed to the band, rather than commissioned specifically for the albums.
okay, because i'm that big of a nerd, i looked it up in one of my frazetta books. the death dealer cover was originally the cover of Flashing Swords #2, edited by lin carter, dell books, 1973. the barbarian cover of hatchet's flirtin with disaster was originally for karl wagner's dark crusade, 1976.
well then, maybe it creepy's sister magazine eerie. either way, it was an old re-use of a frazetta image.
frazetta did a lot spot gag-cartoons in early men's magazines. during this period he was an inker for al capp on his l'il abner strip (those frazetta chicks are all actually variations of daisy may). he began doing the famous work on creepy and eeire for warren magazines (also publishers of famous monsters - which actually began life as a me's magazine called "after hours". james warren fancied himself as a sort of lowbrow hugh hefner.) he started doing the images for those magazines because he was fast and good cheap and worked down the hall. he hung around with a crowd of body builders and sports junkies and car geeks that included ron haydock who wrote and designed for ackerman and warren on fm.
anyway, without those early issues of creepy, frazetta would never started his eventual carrer, as far as i can see. creepy and eerie were his launching pad. that's where he did virtually all of his most famous and earliest work.
after that he worked on blazing combat and then he landed the conan and tarzan stuff. the rest is lowbrow kulture history.
frazetta did a lot of the early creepy and eerie covers, but the molly hatchet images were not among them. death dealer may have appeared elsewhere before the molly hatchet record, but not on creepy.
well, actually frazetta did that image used on the molly haychett cover for a magazine called "creepy" where it was a cover image.
molly hatchet simply licensed the use of that image like 10 or fifteen years later to use on their record. so, frazetta didn't really do a cover for molly hatchet, he just took their money and giggled.
Malibu, all meanspirited posts aside, I think something you might want to think about is how much more fun you would have had in this design process if you had made you OWN illustration. Go ahead, make one in the STYLE of Franzetta, but with your own hand. I bet you would come out with something interesting AND I bet you would enjoy the process.
I love Kirby, and did my own little "homage":
http://www.gigposters.com/poster/54168_System_And_Station.html
can't say it's the best, but it sure was fun, which is the point of all this bullcrap.
Malibu, all meanspirited posts aside, I think something you might want to think about is how much more fun you would have had in this design process if you had made you OWN illustration. Go ahead, make one in the STYLE of Franzetta, but with your own hand. I bet you would come out with something interesting AND I bet you would enjoy the process.
I love Kirby, and did my own little "homage":
http://www.gigposters.com/poster/54168_System_And_Station.html
can't say it's the best, but it sure was fun, which is the point of all this bullcrap.
"I would quit working with that promoter, thats lame,. let them know whay you dont want to do stuff for them anymore...do they even pay you? They should...think about that."
I when I did some fliers for him he did pay, but it was a huge pain. He stopped responding to emails and had to be hunted down in person.
Moving to Philly turned me off quite a bit on making posters. There are so many lame things happening here. like dudes showing up with their entire portfolio to sell at the merch table...
John A: Obviously that is not what I meant. I just think that it is worse when the creator of the original art is still out there trying to make a living from their hard work, and then someone comes along and rips them off for their own gain. Dead artists should be given respect as well. Works in the public domain exist for a reason, and it shouldn't take a lot of effort to figure out what is cool and what is not.
"If you want to use a Frazetta illustration you have to kill him first."
--Exactly. And its like the highlander too. You inherit the illustration powers and there is a quickening.
Not everyone can have the ability to be a great or even good illustrator. If someone finds themselves in that category there are tons of other ways to communicate your ideas. There are TONS of clip art and public domain images out there that can be utilized to accomplish the same result without stepping on the toes of living creators. Which I think is really the problem I have with this.
"There are a bunch of posters for this show because the promoter doesn't give exclusive rights to anyone (not that those rights are his to give - whole nother thing that's been beaten to death on the forums). Most of the time there is a solid poster and a total piece of junk for any given show.
The good stuff tends to hang around for awhile, while the junk only exists on this site and in dude's flat file."
I would quit working with that promoter, thats lame,. let them know whay you dont want to do stuff for them anymore...do they even pay you? They should...think about that.
damn.
this is actually pretty amusing.
if i had known posting something like this would have created such ridiculousness, i would have done so sooner.
i also never received the memo about the almighty rules of design, so i'm at a disadvantage to some of you.
i'm not sure how many of you folks do this shit for fun, but i do, and that's what i thought one of main premises of this site was all about, as was all kinds of design paradigms in the end.
funny that the only "negative" comments i received about this poster was on this site. this place cracks me up.
regardless, you folks are the best and make for a good time. and if that's the real art chantry commenting below ... fuck yeah!
happy holidays and stay positive.
I'm definitely a fan of the disorganization. It allows dumbshits like myself to print stupid crap without anyone bothering me.
Art: while I have you on the line. Caught your lecture at MassArt a couple years back. You were great! Super inspirational!
Crap... was that gay?
Art, you seem to know a lot about the Conan/Homosexual community. I mean, if you wanna come out of the closet or whatever, just do it. We support you.
I have TONS of ghey friends!
There are a bunch of posters for this show because the promoter doesn't give exclusive rights to anyone (not that those rights are his to give - whole nother thing that's been beaten to death on the forums). Most of the time there is a solid poster and a total piece of junk for any given show.
The good stuff tends to hang around for awhile, while the junk only exists on this site and in dude's flat file.
robert e. howard (the guy who created conan) was a gay man living at home with his mommy until she died. a month later, he killed himself.
really fucking gay.
the hipoisie - as stated in the other poster. some people just want to make a quick buck. they throw this on and the bands and poof maybe 20 bucks in their pocket. now to upload to a poster archive is bad, because then you not just trying to make a buck but to also have this listed as your original artwork. this guy sucks. dont think about it too much.
the more i think about this, the less i understand it. what's the point of making posters if you're not putting any original thought into them? taking somebody else's art and slapping text on it is really that amusing? maybe for fliers for crappy bar bands i can kind of understand... but there is NO reason for this poster to exist. two other people made posters and put some creativity in them. and i also seriously doubt this was hung up anywhere.
so your telling sean agnew that you'll make a poster for him, and he lets you in for free, or what? that's the only reason that makes sense.
Or at least if you're gonna boost easily recognizable artists work give them a credit on the piece. But that isn't really doing them any justice either.
I don't wanna dogpile this poor misguided fellow, but there are certain Artists that I (and I'm sure many here as well) feel are "Holy Men" - Frezetta's status is high in that pantheon.
Kirby is most definitely a "King."
Vaughn Bodé.
Basil Wolverton.
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