Mike Gilbert :

Rich I complelely understand where you are coming from. Well not the South Africa part but I do live in Jersey which can't be that different, and I relate completely with "the process of stumbling towards an aesthetic." but I think maybe if you don't worry as much about the asthetic and focus more on the messege of the poster your own style will come through... bla bla bla keep it up

2006-11-22 09:21:23

mark@methanestudios :

Rich, Sure, believe me I can understand. I went through a similiar dilema when I first started out.

2006-11-21 07:37:49

rich :

appreciated, mark - it is a process though, and this is only about the 3rd poster i've put on this site.

2006-11-21 07:22:12

mark@methanestudios :

Rich, You are in a unique situation as the only printer right now in S. Africe and I can see why you are influenced by Jay & Dan but you need to establish your own look instaed of being kown as a second rate Jay Ryan. I'm not trying to slam you but try using these artists as a base for a style and develope into something of your own.

2006-11-21 06:58:16

hmmm_i_am_spy :

so....has anyone even considered the fact that it might be true that the poster is reminiscent of ryan's work, but that it might just be the point? isn't it true that in any form of visual art artists borrow from each other- both in the visual elements of the work as well as style, concept, COLOUR??? for god's sake....this poster incorporates many elements from different influences- as the artist admits himself. i like it, rich :)

2006-11-21 03:12:24

rich :

this is indeed, not unconsciously, a Jay Ryan ripoff. The intention is not one of 'hurting Jay'- but rather one of paying tribute. Note where this poster is from - South Africa - i am the only person in that whole country doing screenprinted gig posters - and in terms of trying to establish some sort of design identity i don't think it unreasonable to use elements that i have recognized as being particularly innovative, in the process of stumbling towards an aesthetic. Re: "dirty" style - Both of my favourite poster designers, Jay Ryan and Dan Grzeca, could be said to be characterised by the fact that they turn screenprinting (traditionally a very graphic, flat colour medium) into sometihng that is actually quite tactile - this single element is something i try and aspire to myself. I am surpised by the debate (or derision) that this has elicited.

2006-11-21 02:30:12

swampviking :

I like mashed potatoes.

2006-11-20 17:43:29

ajosephb :

I like wine

2006-11-20 17:39:50

ricv64 :

no Justin , my sentense was correct . But I am hitting the sauce

2006-11-20 17:17:09

swampviking :

OMG! OMG! OMG! I AM NOT! OMG! OMG!

2006-11-20 17:04:59

MURPHY :

swampvikink iz a nimrodd

2006-11-20 17:04:32

Zach Hobbs :

We so hungry

2006-11-20 17:03:25

Zach Hobbs :

Is my daddy ova there?

2006-11-20 17:03:14

Zach Hobbs :

ya'll got some milhk?

2006-11-20 17:02:58

Zach Hobbs :

my finger broke.

2006-11-20 16:57:05

swampviking :

I don't think that's a real sentence. Looks like you've been hittin' the sauce.

2006-11-20 16:55:22

ricv64 :

I disagree , now swampvikink, douche

2006-11-20 16:53:07

swampviking :

Steve W is an asshole.

2006-11-20 16:51:47

Josh Rickun :

i like that steve w called someone a nimrod.

2006-11-20 16:51:15

ricv64 :

couldn't be Murf , no Hot chick

2006-11-20 16:42:48

swampviking :

I TOTALLY thought this was a MERF poster. OMG!

2006-11-20 16:39:55

Steve H :

is it really good enough to worry about?

2006-11-20 16:35:30

perkins :

Really doesn't matter I guess, but I don't understand why someone wouldn't want their work to have its own identity.

2006-11-20 14:57:21

phoondaddy :

PM sent Cerdo.

2006-11-20 14:02:43

connor13 :

MAZN THIS IS A TOTAL RIP OMG

2006-11-20 14:01:21

Seamus McClernan :

"she turned me into a newt...I got better" I memorized Holy Grail really well. I can recite it right now and have you R-O-T-F-L-O-L! "White & Nerdy" by Weird Al Yankovich

2006-11-20 14:01:05

Tenebrini :

everyone shut up

2006-11-20 13:59:37

poguemahone :

i agree with phoon and richie and disagree with poguemahone.

2006-11-20 13:56:18

frostbite :

open your wings and embrace the proud egoism

2006-11-20 13:55:47

phoondaddy :

It reminds me of the Happy Days episode when Pinky Tuscadero got the Malachi Crunch.

2006-11-20 13:54:37

Mike Gilbert :

"she turned me into a newt...I got better"

2006-11-20 13:53:13

steve w :

the logic here reminds me of the burn-the-witch scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

2006-11-20 13:49:02

Mike Gilbert :

thats just great and all but this still looks like a rip, and naduval is right intentional or not does it really matter?

2006-11-20 13:48:32

RichieGoodtimes :

Who gives a fuck? Jay still does whatever it is he does better. This isn't hurting Jay. It really doesn't matter. Jay created his own visual language. It was inevitable that it would be co opted by others. That's how this shit works. There are 50 'designers' out there who's work is interchangeable. That's OK, but this isn't?

2006-11-20 13:48:27

steve w :

I taught jay how to print, nimrod. I know his work.

2006-11-20 13:42:14

El Negro Magnifico! :

I'm thinkin' this is all coincidental, but that's just me.

2006-11-20 13:41:42

naduval :

The gigposter police have been working OVERTIME lately...

2006-11-20 13:41:17

Mike Gilbert :

how many have that red split fountain? you looked through 102 posters?

2006-11-20 13:40:49

steve w :

the sunburst lines are jay-ish???? out of the 102 posters jay has on this site, exactly one has rays like that.

2006-11-20 13:36:55

Mike Gilbert :

true the more I look at it the more intentional it seems, like the white figure on a darker paper

2006-11-20 13:32:55

fantasygoat :

It's the combination of multiple style points that makes it stand out as a rip.

2006-11-20 13:24:47

Mike Gilbert :

yeah but thats like saying no one can use a split fountain in those reds because he used them

2006-11-20 13:20:35

fantasygoat :

I totally think it was intentional, the similarities are too great - like you said, the sunburst lines are Jay-like as well.

2006-11-20 13:19:13

Mike Gilbert :

that said I don't think it was intentional

2006-11-20 13:15:42

Mike Gilbert :

its the reds too not just the type I think the two of those together make it more "jayish"

2006-11-20 13:11:49

fantasygoat :

ENM, I don't think anyone has accused you of ripping off Jay yet so I think you're safe. This poster, it looks like an afterthought to "cool it up".

2006-11-20 13:06:01

El Negro Magnifico! :

Jay has an influence on my work. I don't know how readily apparent it is, but really try to make my stuff very "me".

2006-11-20 13:04:21

dethink :

On characters...that's a grey area. I think it depends on the treatment and style of the piece. The lettering though? Come on...

2006-11-20 12:59:20

Mike Gilbert :

agreed not erasing guide lines is now exclusive property of jay ryan

2006-11-20 12:51:15

fantasygoat :

This raises an important question - can only Jay do "dirty" style from this point forward? Does he own exclusive rights to not erasing guidelines? My initial answer would be "yes".

2006-11-20 12:29:19

poguemahone :

this shit is getting old. there, i said it.

2006-11-20 10:24:15

dethink :

*wheeze*

2006-11-20 08:08:42

phoondaddy :

Stop it.

2006-11-20 06:02:38

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