i still can't believe that gigposters has just proved itself a "boys club". Once you're in, you can do no wrong.
Since the Ames bros have done good work prior, they are not reemed like stu melvin, who was just a one off kid.
What the hell. These guys should get it worse.
Is Chloe the only one here with her head on straight?
don't worry. i'll try to avoid any discussion on here from now on other than "cool illo" and "sweet"
it's obvious that this isn't the right place to talk about design or the professional aspects around it.
"Besides, I bet you that 99% of the viewers here had NEVER seen the original art before and are only excited now because one person pointed it out."
Actually, I initially thought it was lifted from a Gary Houston Wilco poster.
Pedini... the bullshit remark refers to your elitist standpoint... are you the one who decides what is 'fine design'? .. the word alone makes me fucking getting a rash on my testicles. Besides, when we had this discussion with Chloe on the forums she did not recognize the influence of Emeks BTS poster (giving tree)... is it 'fine design' when people from Austin recognize it, or if 'poster artists' recognize it, or if gay handicapped Somalians recognize it? What the fuck dude... Obscurity of the lifted art doesnt make something more or less illegal/legal or ethical/unethical. Besides, I bet you that 99% of the viewers here had NEVER seen the original art before and are only excited now because one person pointed it out.
fine design my ass
it's sad more than anything else. and I'd just like to put this out there.... if anyone would like to pay a homage to me (god forbid), I prefer that you just give me cash so I can pay homage to my mortgage. or you could just keep any profits you make off of my image. yeah, guess which one I'd prefer more.
This whole thing is totally wack. I actually think he redrew this whole thing - not that it excuses it but i don't think a "flip horizontal" is the case. This may be a misstep, and possibly illegal, but saying that Ames is disappointing lately is just silly talk. They kick all our asses.
"in a sense the obscure unknown part of your comment is complete bullshit"
Uh, no, its not. Have I ever been called out for using spot illos from 60+ years ago? Someone drew that shit and it belonged to them for a period of time, but its not "fine design" and noone remembers the artiste, therefore noone's panties are bunched when it resurfaces in a rock poster.
Barry - that really cleared the ethical questions I have about this poster. Tell me, is it the same answer you would give to the ebay/PJ/ Poster Bootleg question from a few years back? You know, the one where Sony pulled the plug? And, as the old saying goes, sometimes fact is stranger than fiction.
Rene in the case of Kozik, he was recreating that imagery, in his own hand and with a decidedly different feel. This image is just flipped and reproduced. I think the trick to appropriating art is to remove it from its original context at the very least. And stick to the obscure, unknown stuff.
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seriously. it's REALLY not cool to make $$$$ off of someone else's art.
just because it happens alot doesn't mean it's ok.
like i said earlier , it's REALLY easy to "make" great work when you are plagirising.
i'm kinda shocked to hear that the folks at ames , a professional design studio , didn't see anything un-kosher in doing this. would it be ok for me to take ames images , change the colors and use em in my own design work?
i guess the main question i have to all the folks who think a color change and a flip horizontal is enough , why go into a creative field if you have a hard time being creative?
Sorry to dissappoint. I thought it an appropriate and beautiful image for a rock poster. My apologies, as I am a huge fan of this guys work and only considered it a compliment to him. Glad to see he has more than one fan. Always open for criticism.
It's kind of ironic because the original E. McKnight Kauffer poster was once so widely known (and ubiquitous on college dorm room walls) that the image evidently developed a really negative cache among snooty artist types... like having an MC Escher print on your wall...
philarts, sounds like you know of artists who dont get called out for things they should. I think that's yours and everyone elses responsibility on here to call them out no matter who they are so this type of thing doesnt go on...
It's one thing to be derivative or "influenced by", but sadly this is neither. Unfortunately this is not the first time Ames has been caught and one of the reasons an employee of theirs left their company years ago. (He disapproved of exactly this kind of thing). I remember a few years ago they had a poster in CA that was called out by several readers. And it doesn't stop there. I've always thought they were great craftsmen, but not incredibly talented artists. It's ironic that I feel the same way about Pearl Jam so I guess they are tin perfect company.
well not to sound like a bitch but i guess it's pretty easy to be "incredible" when you are using other people's work.
i don't really have alot of respect for this type of thing , no matter WHO does it.
Or maybe the Ames Bros. are big fans of Gary Houston's Wilco poster:
Either way, another lame 2006 poster from Ames, and another reason I'm glad I didn't get that subscription they offered up in May.