fair enough.. if you dont 'like' something you dont like it... cant argue with taste.
i am just amazed that people call Derek either a mediocre talent or lazy
to be able to meet Derek was one of my highlights at Flatstock 2... the dude took some time to put down a nice sketch in my book even though he was running way late for some appointment.
I saw a show of his at the Roq La Rue and was impressed with his technique...hes good at what he does. But personally I think his posters are overly narcissitic and come across very baroque in his figures 'over acting' poses. The majority of them look like self pity.
I don't like them.
nobody here is bashing Hess because of a 'lack of posters' or as you call it his 'work ethic'...
i think it shows some ignorance actually... yes Hess is slowing down in his poster output (as do Coop, Kozik and plenty other 'names' from the early 90's) but if you see what he is doing with fine art prints, gallery shows, clothing lines, record covers, and music festivals I would hardly call him out on a bad 'work ethic'...
i agree that he doesnt deserve the hype by only looking at the past 2 years but just by looking at his work from 1994 through - say - 1998 you can see that his output was pretty damn impressive and hence the reason for his 'reputation' or 'hype' status.
look, i will be the first to say that i stopped collecting his work because I dont see much 'progression' and hence I got tired of it. Just as I did with a bunch of other stuff I collected. However, at the end of the day, Hess will be among the top 5 names when looking at silkscreen posters in the 1990's, and I think that its completely deserved
Slow Saturday afternoon, huhh. Come on, Lazy? your kidding right? Is there a certain amount of posters a person must do to fit into everyones cool little gigposters club? I guess doing over 20 cd covers and starting a clothing line takes no time. And why do the text and design himself - all you very accomplished poster artists will do is rip it apart. The fact that you give him this kind of time makes me feel great because it lets me know he's doing something right. While you guys sit around and talk about everything hes doing wrong and how much you hate him, he just keeps getting better and more popular. If all he was doing was intermediate drawing 101 then in time he would fade away, but that isnt happening. So you guys can sit around and talk about how much better everyone else is but what you should be doing is trying to figure out what keeps Derek as popular as he is and incorporate it into you own careers.
i dunno piemel... i know hess alright. hes a nice guy and all, but it seems like hes got the worst work ethic of any poster artist i know. he does like 5 posters a year now and only does the initial sketch and has other people do the rest. im not bashing him... i just dont really think he deserves the hype
you should... and then everyone will say how good your technique is and how much you kick ass...
i agree with 8ball that a thousand kids can do the same thing that Derek is doing... i still wont call it intermediate.
i am just tired of people bashing Derek Hess... the man deserves credit for being one of the big three in the 90's... and he is still going at it.
i have nothing but respect for Hess. I dont collect his posters anymore but you should see some of his work in real life... kickass stuff.
Yep. I've seen his posters although I don't think that has any bearing on his opinion. Everyone's got one.
I agree with you 100% regarding Hess. Hey, I LOVE his stuff. My point was that I could see where TBM was coming from. I've heard it from more than a few people. If you stripped Hess's art down to strictly technique ("the sketch"), it's very common to find in art students, and then they graduate art school and apply it to their art form. Just look at tattoo artists who have to draw out their pieces. Now that's not to say that they're going to go out and do rock posters...they don't. Which is one of the reasons why Hess has that corner of the "market" nailed. Add that to the subject matter he uses, color, etc, you got an awesome poster artist.
However, if you just isolated him by his "technique" and put him with a few other intermediate/good sketchwork artists, I think you would find a lot of similarities.
Have you looked at TBM's posters?
Like I said.. I reacted to the word 'intermediate'... I dont think Hess is an intermediate artist at all.
As for the fact that there are a ton of art sudents who can do the same thing that Derek is doing... give me one example of a successful artist here on GP who is doing something that is so technically advanced that it is very hard to find people by the boat loads who can do the same thing during lunch break at the local Art Uni.
Sure this is life-like drawing which every art student goes through in their 'model' classes... guess what though... he is pretty damn good at it. He has a very dynamic style that I like and his approach is obviously liked by a lot of the EMO kids that he targets.
As for skill... lets take a list of the 'top' artists here... everyone can agree that Coop is exellent in his cartoon stuff, yet Scrojo can do the same thing I bet and we all love/praise both those guys for being able to draw beautiful chick.. I reckon there are thousands of kids out there that have similar skill.
Or lets look at Jermaine, Uncle Charlie and Kozik... not superbly excellent when you look at the technique alone... its not on a super high level.
I think that Hess has been able to use life-like drawing and made it his style... He is pretty damn awesome at it as well and in fact he 'owns' the genre... nobody else is touching life-like drawing because he has cornered it and set the standards so damn high. Unlike the cartoon-style and devil chick style which is easily copied and not as challenging in certain aspects as the style that Hess is using (you make a life-like sketch and everyone will compare you to Hess).
Being copied is a sign of success... when Jermaine started out he was very heavily influenced by Kozik and it was damn obvious as well... it was a sign that Kozik was on to something and was good at it. Tons of other people used the juxtapozation, the day-glo and the cartoonish style that bagan with Kozik. Some, like Jermaine, have been able to expand on that style and created their own style and some basically did what Kozik did even better than Kozik himself...
However, nobody has really copied Hess. I dont think that that is due to Hess low level of technique... au contraire... I think it is because he has picked a style and set the bar so high that it is pretty damn difficult to outperform Hess... it would be difficult to top Hess in the Hess-style. Plus the fact that he has sold more posters and achieved such an incredible amount of success in the 1990's convinces me that he is top-notch.
If Derek was just average or even just merely advanced somebody would have come in from left field and wiped out Hess by doing the life-like sketchy style BETTER. Hasn't happened yet and I wonder why... hmmm maybe because he is so damn good at it that it is hard to improve upon.
The funny thing is that TBM's comments are shared by a ton of people out there. Not saying that it's not warranted: Hess's style is very Advanced Drawing 101. If you look at a lot of art students who take painting, life-drawing, etc, you would see a very similar style in their sketchbooks to Hess's. You may not see them here on GP, but just go to the local art school. However, the application of Hess's techniques and execution is what (I feel) sets him apart. I love Hess's stuff like a mofo but I can also see where TBM gets his "art school" opinion from.
To critique Derek Hess because of his approach to posters (puns related to the band) is one thing.. but to say that he is an intermediate artist is fucking insane... the dude is hugely talented and no matter what you think Hess, together with Coop and Kozik define the 1990's of silkscreen rock posters.
The man has accomplished more than 90% of the other gig poster artists here and it makes me giggle that people trash him so much...
Its a good drawing but it doesn't really scream 'rock n roll'. I think thats what I dislike about most of Hess' work. It would be more appropiate in the sistine chapel than advertising a concert.
But then again he makes more money than I do. So hes doing something right.