Wow, this is the most comments I have ever seen. Not going to read them all, but I noticed some slander being thrown around. I'll just say- I own this one, and it looks way better in person. It is one of my favorite posters. I love it.
I would just call it a failed experiment. And I have to agree on the references...mostly.
On the other hand, the band liked it, we've sold a ton, and it was a lot of fun to make. So, it was sucessful on some level.
To be specific though, in my opinion, this poster borrows many refences, maybe not consciously, from the illustration of LeDeux and the typography of Kleinsmith. For agrument's sake though, whose to say that all design isn't a regurgitation of references?
I think critiques are as important as the next guy but I find it kind of funny that this poster was the impotice for people to say they're repeating themselves. If anything this is more out of the norm for AA than anything.
I am intrigued by this string of comments... Although Chantry's comments come across as narcissistic and arrogant, he does make some very valid points. I too agree that many people on this site cannot take a real critique, and I do think he is just trying to challenge potential greatness. Think of it this way... When the Beatles put out Please, Please Me everyone who heard it knew that they were extremely talented and had ample potential. But what if they just kept putting out the same type of work over and over again? What if they hadn't challenged themselves to create their own voice, ultimately changing Rock music forever? They would have never made Sgt. Pepper's or Revolver.
I personally have always been fascinated by the work of you guys. Your early posters defined the new aesthetic of the rock poster. But I too feel that your work, if I can say this with getting my head bit off, refers to your own past work too much and ultimately has not evolved into its own unique voice. The work at times IS repetitious and "lazy". I too want to see you guys totally blow us away with your version of Sgt. Peppers! =)
My grandmother used to go off on riddlesome rants in the early stages of Allzheimer's, before she began to forget things. She knew what we were all up to, and what we were thinking, and she was 100% sure she was right. We couldn't figure her out at first, but as it progressed, it became apparent she was not living in the same world as we were.
this shit needs to be done mano-a-mano... name the place and time, bring in a few designers and illustrators and film a bebate... have a dude like Charlie Rose lead the discussion to keep people from wandering off in lala land and have the Jerry Springer security guys to stop any fights
I 100% serious would pay to see Kozik, Chantry, Seripop, AA and some others at a table and have a go at it
phoondaddy was right. i have a life and it's time i quit wasting my time trying to discuss anything that i see as relevant on this site. it's just tooo hard. i gotta get back to work and quit entertaining the troops.
no more posts on this'n for me. it's all yers, now. have fun!
ciou! (or whatever. i get hungry when i see that word).
i konw what you're trying to get at, and i won't bite. i'm not accusing you of tracing or copying. i'm saying you are lazy in your thinking. you use solutions already exhausted by others with this piece. you are not coming up with your own thinking, you are simply pulling out of a bag o' tricks already mainstreamed by other people. that is almost to the level of decorating and not designing. where's the content, or at least the thought you guys had when you started? a team photo? goofy faces = goofy band? that type you used is a designer attempt to anchor the chaos of the image. why did you do that? it really makes no sense except to make your designer training feel more comfortable, as if the chaos of your own imagery made you nervous and you had to tie it down with some hard angular typography. and why the arrows? they work in everything, so, what't he point of using them here? "when in doubt, use an arrow" is an old joke i even use in my lectures.
do you see what i'm getting at? it's vacuous design elements without intent other than "looking cool. is that all you need in order to be "great'? or is is it only 'adequate'?
it's lazy. no challenge. it just looks cool. design is a tad more than that. and you know what i mean. you've been doing this stuff in too many arenas (you're from rocket design) for too long to not know what i mean.
do you see what i mean?
I think I'm going to keep calling it vernacular because I don't think "Wartime Popular Mechanicsism" or "post-Kindergarten Counting Bookism" really is accepted terminology yet.
If our work is based largely on collage how do you suggest we work without looking at anything?
That was the single greatest post you've ever made. As a mere by-stander in this situation, I appreciate it a lot.
Acutally, you did answer one of my earlier questions, but not intentionally, but whatever.
Posts like that are so much more informative, helpful, etc.
to begin with, i think the way that the design world uses the term "vernacular" is as a garbage pit for everything that didn't originate in eurpoean or nyc design culture. i think it's a general dis of all of the design on this site, for instance. they think this is merely "vernacular". in fact, it has a long beautiful history with schools of thought and strong and differing philosophies and cultural dialogs and major authors and anonymous contributors of equal importance. to dismiss this as "vernacular" is an insult. i think to dismiss any design as 'vernacular' is blind. and stupid.
but, back to your question - i think you guys are remarkably sophisticated and you borrow ideas from currewnt acting authors and historical sources as well - just like me - just like everybody here.
but, you sorta quit there.
this poster is really an experiment in style appropriation - taken from the oz stuff, seripop, my work, jeff kleinsmith, and even hank trotter - to name but a few. it's interesting but starkly unoriginal and flat in thinking. it's like you guys are just trying to prove how good you are by simply doing and thinking "we can do anything". the results speak otherwise.
i think you guys just don't trust yourselves enough to take the plunge into your own instincts and follow your own thoughts.
try doing a few posters without refernce to anything or anybody else's work. don't look at books or magazines of gigposters or stuff hanging on your wall. just start working and don't look at anything. see what happens to your work. i'll bet after two or three projects, you'll be heading off into an incredible new direction that'll thrill the shit out of you both. and us.
"if parody and wisecracks are your ideas of discussion, then perhaps i'm overestimating you guys."
Art, I have to say that sometimes I don't know what you're talking about. So discussion can be difficult. The best we can is listen.
Okay, I do have one question on your definition of "copying other people." Do you mean other current designers or do you mean vernaculars?
We've said it tons of times to hundreds of people that we're insanely influenced by early-century vernacular. Our work does reflect that and I'll admit that it looks like that. We like old type, old color combinations. It makes our brains and eyes happy.
But we've never copied a single person or their style for our own personal gain. That would just make us feel dirty.
Which are you talking about?
oh, c'mon. you can take anything out of context and focus on just that phrase and it looks insane. but, i know you well enough to know that you understand what i'm saying. you guys are class A#1 designers. no doubts at all. you are really good. but you haven't begun to take that next step into really great stuff. you're still mulling around the borrowed style arena and that is ultimately a dead end. just stop looking at other people's work for inspiration and start pulling out of yourselves instead. not that tough, really. it just means trusting your instincts.
like i said before, "i like all of your stuff, but i just wish it didn't look so much like other people's work" (or something to that effect). i'm positive you what i mean.
so, you can allow yourselves to get all hurt and petty and snippy in response, or you can think about my points and decide if they are of value to yourselves. time will tell the difference.
actually, i love you guys.
After thinking about this in the shower - I wondered why the hell this ever happened in a public forum.
the whole "debate" is kinda, I don't know, "empty" maybe?
This poster started an interesting discussion, AND it has crazy karate monsters. so good joerb!!!!
Man, I don't even know what to say about this anymore. As far as the OZ stuff...it probably doesn't matter but I was not familiar with it...nor do I see any direct similarities. "trying to do 'a seripop'...um, no. Wouldn't even try that as it's not possible and pointless.
I'm bored. I'm going to go now, get a life, and ponder the socio-political ramifications of how coffee with chicory produces some pleasant bowel movements.
By the way, Art- I've been doing this almost as long as you have. Glad I'm not as clueless and stuck in the past.
"...absolutely exquisite but intellectually empty work..."
Our next poster will be addressing the chaos that the current politial state of Chavez' Venezuela has brought on the rest of the world's fuel based economys. And it will also be for a New Pornographers show.
i've always considered art and creativity an "automatic" process. it's really not a concious process at all. creative thinking happens in the back of your brain and then the trick to being an 'artist' is to figure out how to allow that thought to come out through your concious mind (and your hands).
i sorta compare creativity to driving a car. when you drive, the very last thing ion your mind is actually driving the car. more likely you're thinking about what's for dinner, or listening to music or telling off the boss. but, you're still driving beautifully. some people call it being in "the zone". but that zone is a part of your brain you can trust totally.
as i think on it, i think the closest i've seen to "automatic" design is the work of seripop. it's maybe the most interesting thing about their work. it's as if they sit down and just start up their hands and directly tap into their minds and out comes this amazing stuff. dunno if it's "good design" or not, but who cares? some stuff is just so primal and powerful that all definitions just go out the window.
this aa piece almost looks like a designer trying to do 'a seripop,' but not understanding what is going on with them or what they are doing. it looks like an exercise in another style. an aping, of sorts. as a seripop, it fails completely.
i think seripop's intense background in the artworld prepared them for their unique work in ways the rest of us can only dimly understand or appreciate.
automatic imagery is perfectly legit stuff. there is even less ability to separate one's self from one's subconcious. giger's stuff is wonderful scary beautifully executed stuff. it has depth and individuality and taps into the collected fears and unconcious of everyone. he hits it dead on.
design? no. art? absolutely.
design is different functioning work.
Art, what's your take on guys like Giger who take the surrealist "automatic" approach to art, where they turn off the intellect and approach a piece from a subconcious level, letting it guide them without thinking about layout, elements, etc. I know that's obviously not "design" by definition, but just curious...
i don't know if i can explain this to you. you are an afficianado of imagery and therefore you have your own fixed view of this stuff. however, i can appreciate really great design work, even if it's derivative and conceptually lazy. in fact, i love extremely well executed bad design, as well. i have been doing this stuff for over 30 looooong years and i've developed a fine-tuned eye for design thought. this isn't some brag or ego thing. it's simply a reality that happens to a person after doing any single thing for that many years.
so, i can see a design piece and (for the most part) understand - actually read - the ideas and the thought and the inspiration and the instincts that went into it. it comes with the territory.
aa does absolutely exquisite but intellectually empty work. there are an enormous number of designers like that out there - just look at design magazines and annuals.
so, i see no contradiction in my views here. whereas you might not get what i'm talking about.
does that make any sense? it's a difference between "pictures" and "design," i guess.
art- im totally not picking a fight when i say this...
if you like almost everything they have done and you think they are brilliant designers.. they must be doing more than just looking like other designers to get such high praise from you.
their language is by choice, and it seems to go over well across the board. u know?
i really like this poster, too. i think i really like EVERYTHING aa has ever done. they are brilliant designers. i just wish their stuff didn't always looks somebody else's. is that asking so much? i hope not.
Wow...153 comments. Here's one more:
There's nothin' new under the sun, except the personal spin you put on it.
Many thanks to Thomas for posting that link. I just found out where Stones Throw got the imagery for the new Sound Directions album: http://www.oztrading.net/library/oz/28/1.htm
Man, thanks for ripping off Oz guys. Cuz if you didn't Art wouldn't have brought it up and I can't remember who it was wouldn't have posted that link and I would not have checked it out and not recieved any wood. Thanks.
I just wanted to see what the answers were. I love AA I like this poster. I can see where the similarities to the OZ stuff are drawn but this came from AA's Black Mountain poster that came from a doodle Michael did. I don't think it's directly influenced or copied from the OZ stuff. I try and stay out of the "discussions" when you are involved because in this context they never work out. I know I can have great conversations with you offline if I wanted to. I was just curious about the OZ stuff.
not quite satisfied yet. thank you for your patience.
so is it just this poster in particular that reminds you of the 60's guy that did all the Oz stuff, or all of AA's work? To me this poster shows a new direction for them. If it's just this design, who else are they copying? Yes, I read your earlier, vague response and if you just didn't feel like following through with your insinuation you should've just said so. "i'd go look his name up, but i don't want to bother" would have sufficed, with or without the "fucking ignorant clod" part.
As for the answer to question #2, I still think that if you don't want anyone to question what you say in public, then don't say anything in public. How can posting this in public be beneficial to AA (or anyone that reads this)? Seemed kinda mean-spirited if you ask me. But that's just the smug asshole in me.
Geoff isn't entering a pissing contest. He, like me, and like many others, are genuinely curious to hear your answers.
man, i am so sorry you are entering this litle pissing contest. it's sooo beneath you. i wish we were on better terms, but in the past i've said things to you that upset you, so i understand why you feel the need to enter in here - just like bdix and perkins. i'm disappointed in you, as well, just like you are with me. sorry to see it.
ok, you smug little asshole here we go. answer to incredibly intelligent question number 1 (pure innocence, or course): if you had bothered to read my VERY FIRST comment in this thread, you'd fucking see that i plainly state that this piece is extremely reminiscent of the guy who did all the oz stuff in england back in the 60's. i'd go look his name up, but i don't want to bother. and if you weren't such a fucking ignorant clod, you'd realize it, too. his stuff has been reprinted in every book ever written about rock posters (except grushkin's).
answer to question 2: see answer one. yer fucking stupid, that's why.
hey, think what you want to think, but you're still dodging the questions.
A. please give an example of who AA is copying (because I'm a fan of AA's work, and if they're copying someone I'd like to know who because I'd probably dig their stuff too).
B. Why are you always surprized/offended when someone questions something you've said?
too complex? because I can give you the nasty little vindictive dumbfuck version of those questions if you'd prefer.
ahhhh.... you think you're asking questions!! now, i get it!! you are so vicious and stupid that you think those are legitimate questions and not insults!!!
so, now i understand. thank you for clarifying your position that poor arrogant me can figure it out. it seems you are simply a nasty little vindictive dumbfuck. so simple, but so complex.
I watched 'Good will hunting' last night and Art reminds me of the MIT math teacher on there. If you get a chance check it out. I couldn't even get into the movie because the whole time it was like Art Chantry was fucking with Robin Williams.
I'm actually just waiting for you to type, "get a life" 50 more times so I can award you the parrot prize.
questioning you is no effort. It's easy. I'll keep doing it as long as I'm curious to know why you say what you say (as well as how you say it). You only had me "worked up" once and it has become a joke among the "other designers" I talk to.
when have I ever tried to stop you from speaking your mind? If anything I've asked you to elaborate further on many occassions. but that's considered ganging up on poor Chantry, isn't it?
you want the world to forget about you? I HIGHLY doubt it. You love this shit, and I like questioning you about it.
really, i'm not worth all of this effort you're putting out. i hate to see you get worked up like this. you need to forget about me - move on. get a real life. honest. this isn't worth it. you'll pop a cork and have a stroke and i'll still be around speaking my mind. nothing you can say will change that.
so really, please get a life. forget about me.
I raised a valid question to Art. His response... "get a life".
again I ask, why bash on AA in a public forum if you're not expecting/wanting responses? Especially if you're not willing to expound on what you've said when people want to honestly know the reasoning and details behind it.
this could have been handled between Art and AA via PM or email. Instead he chose a public forum and as such went on his typical "you guys are attacking me" defense when folks questioned his opinion.
or are we not supposed to question opinions?
if he thinks THIS is jumping on him, he hasn't seen squat. I'm just honestly curious.
Geez, just read all this. Art reminds me of the dying dad in "Coward of the County".
Don't see anything misguided in his statement. It's his opinion, and if Mike and Dan give a rat turd about it then Art has helped them. They will probably hear a little voice in thier head saying something sucks or could be better. They will search their brain a little harder and try to figure something out.
The negative voices are what spurn us to do better, not so much the positive ones. I've never done well because of cheerleading. Art's just being mindful that AA don't get comfortable on their laurels.
Is this my opinion too? I know jack about design history, so all of this stuff looks "AA" to me. It has seemed that they are victims of their own success as I get fooled all the time by thumbnails from copycats that I'm sure are "AA" and turn out not to be. There was a time on here when that would never happen.
taking a step back for a moment and judging this poster on it's own merit....:
this is a great poster! all the elements bring the eye to the center and focused on the 'meat' of the poster ( the actual show info ). something that alot of times is missed in this style of poster.
To make a comment about how a designer needs to challenge themselves and do something different, on a poster that does just that, is a sign that someone either isn't paying attention or prepared that statement in advance of even seeing the current poster.
R.I.P AA, you had a good run;) Totally kidding, this is a nice piece.
But god bless Art Chantry, I may not always agree with him but he's a thought provoking fella. I think Art's point is something I think everyone should keep in mind "how can I take my work to the next level?" But I assume that good designers do keep this in mind, AA included.
Can't wait til the day Art rips me a new asshole.
If anything this poster is a huge turn of the corner for these fellas. maybe the biggest change they have made. about a year ago I may have agreed they were doing stuff that was very similar but recently they are changing.
I know they aren't lazy they work their asses off and everything they do drives me to want to be WAY better. they are one of the top influences on my progression.
Dan and Mike are two of the best today and they won't just be forgotten, if anything they've just started gaining momentum beyond the planet propaganda days. I sure hope to be held in as high a regard in the future as these boys will be.
Art, you are so blind and ignorant to what's going on around you that I have no idea how you ever designed a single poster, let alone so many good ones. You keep saying everyone is afraid to voice their opinions, but if you'd turn off your tunnel vision, you'd see that they ARE voicing their opinions. You're so intent on focusing on your "point", you seem to only see the opinions that reinforce it- which makes it pretty pathetic when that reassurance isn't there.
PAY ATTENTION. Be willing to admit you're wrong every now & then. The general consensus among some of 2005's poster artists seems to be that AA has got it going on, and very few of those same artists know what the fuck you're talking about.
I suddenly feel like elaborating on my earlier comment on this poster. I too expect great things from AA and this is sort of a let down. I do, however, feel like Dan and Michael have continually pushed the limits of their style, and most of the time with fantastic results. In the modern age of working poster artists, their work has always seemed original. There are legions of AA copycats since these guys started doing their thing, but AA will always be innovators to me. This poster represents a whole new direction for them, I just hope they continue to develop the drawn elements.
see what happens when the subject switches to me? total crap.
just think about my main point and then if you still feel strongly about it at all, we can talk if you like. but, i don't mean my comments as a dis. it's more of a challenge, in my view.
i love you guys. honest. i think yer great. you just need change.
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2 chopped skinless, boneless chicken breasts
2 tablespoons vegetable oil
1 chopped onion
1 14 oz. can french style green beans
1 14 oz. can chopped canned tomatoes
1 14 oz. can sliced carrots
2 large cubed potatoes
1 cup uncooked rice
1 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon pepper
1 cup water
3/4 cup finely shredded cheddar cheese
Heat oil in a large skillet over medium heat; add chicken and onion. Saute for about 3 minutes. Add green beans, undrained tomatoes, carrots, potatoes, rice, salt and pepper to skillet; mix gently. Pour water over top of chicken mixture. Cook, covered, over medium-low heat, stirring occasionally, for 20 minutes or until potatoes and rice are tender. Sprinkle chicken mixture with cheddar. Let stand, covered for 5 minutes, serve hot.
if you actually read what i wrote, i say exactly the same thing. what do you think "the pot calling the kettle black" means?
bdix - well, again, isn't this another person with "round 12" going on? get a life, fella. you waste way too much of your life coming after me. it means nothing and i'm pretty damned unimportant. find something better to waste your time on. honest, get a life.
and to all of the remarks about me, i hold aa to a higher standard to most of you simply becausethey are way better than all of you (you, too, jermaine. sorry). i just want them to prosper , not turn into a tired old hack like yours truly.
so, i'm simply gave them my opinion. i know many of you hate it when anybody gives an opinion (or even a crit) about the work here. but, if i don't do it, nobody will. i'm the only one here with nothing to lose. you can give away every poster of mine in the whole world to byr, and it won't make a difference to me or anybody.
so, my crits have merit simply because i'm actually doing it and you guys are way to chicken to actually voice your opinions here in any sort of way that would attract potential snotty remarks like the stuff you throw at me.
so, read it an weep.
aa - show me what you got if i'm so wrong about you. it would be great to be wrong. but i don't think i am. i've been watching your work for years, and i think you guys are stuck and sinking fast. it's time for that next step. so, use this as a chance to prove me wrong. i think that would be really great.
"go get a life and forget about me"...
So why bash on AA in a public forum if you're not expecting/wanting responses? (whether you value them as "worthy" replies or not).
we're playing YOUR game, Art. It's O.K. for you to publically post something negative about someone, but if it happens to you, you're automatically being picked on.
"fish or cut bait"...
how about joining us in the same boat, Art? Or at least the same lake.
Its 'me'...so you know I ask this without a drop of malice or ill intent...but real curiosity, raised by your comments here.
In your career, what would you say that you did NEW or original? Aesthetically speaking, what did you 'do' that had no overwhelming precedents...that had well-defined link to something that came before it?
What did you do FIRST?
Dispense with 'modesty' and humility and all that jazz, and tell me...as the asker of a purely objective and informative question, Im giving you permission to freely talk about yrself...
geez, do you do anything else except wait for me to say something that you can jump all over? what is this, round 12?
get a life. really. go get a life and forget about me. i'm not worth your entire life. honest.
Art- Why don't YOU think on it some. Your opinion is not only NOT the only one that matters, it becomes more & more irrelevant with each asinine statement like "that other junk others have been writing in this thread", followed by "this thread is not about me".
Really? Then stop trying to make it about you by insisting that everyone focus on what YOU'RE trying to say, but refusing (as usual) to answer their responses to the questions you pose. There are (as always) many valid points that seem to contradict yours, that you seem ever unwilling to discuss. Why is that? Take your fucking meds, man. AA is one of only a handful of studios that seem to have their schtick figured out, in terms of success measured both by critical praise and by sales. It doesn't have to be your cup of tea, but to see their work as anything else just comes across as bitter and cynical. You're trying to point out flaws that are very hard, if not near impossible to see. Maybe you're making the shit up.
the reason i haven't responded to that other junk others have been writing in this thread is because it's all aside from my point. this thread is not about me, it's about you guys. sure, you don't agree with what i wrote and you maybe are a little pissed that i would write such a thing. if your reaction was anything else, it would be sorta weird, ya know?
but, i just think you guys need to take the next step. otherwise it's going to kill your momentum. you have enormous potential, but you're wasting it on copycat thinking. that's my point. that's the only point that is relevant to this discussion. all those others have no point if they are talking about me. i'm not the point.
that's about all i got to say. just think on it some. it doesn't hurt to actually think about another person's crit of your work - even if it's to just reject it afterwards.
Oh, of course. We know our influences and are more than aware of them. We know we're not doing anything totally new...but are also confident that we're not simply copying other people. Again, it's a balance. I would guess it's the same way for you.
And why not answer some of these questions others have asked you in this thread?
And now it's time for me to say I am finished with this discussion.
In a documentary film I have about Paul Rand, he says "Don't try to be original, just try to be good, because being good is damn difficult". I know you don't care for Rand much Art, but I sort of like that statement .
you really don't see yourselves as "copying'? really?
when i met you, you seemed to be rather apologetic about it. so, it seems to me that maybe you are becoming blinded a tad by your general success?
never buy yer own bullshit. you just become another sid vicious that way.
my comments on this subject are now exhausted and are at an end. love it or leave it, i don't much care.
It's a balance.
We push ourselves everyday to do something new. And yeah, making a living is awfully important. My son has become rather accustomed to having food and clothing.
As far as the "copycat" thing. That's fine if you see it that way. We, obvioiusly, don't. We're proud of what we've done and are excited to see what's next.
1. Is there someone/something in particular that you feel AA is actively copying so *directly* that you feel it's keeping them from making their *own* statement?
2. And if all they've been doing is copying, what is it that you feel makes them so (potentially?) TALENTED?
"isn't it time you developed your own style?" why do artists need to develop their own style?
i know many artists have their own medium/style of choice that they're comfortable with. But I appreciate artists who have a good sense of design, and are flexible when it comes to styles. I feel that Aesthetic Apparatus encompass those 2 qualities.
I think finding your own style is as important as being able to be aesthetically versatile.
hey, i'm not comparing myself or my work to them. obviously, it's the pot calling the kettle black, here. OF COURSE, i've done the same as them. literally, it takes one to know one in this case, ya know?
so, i simply point out, indeed PLEAD with them to move on to a higher intellectual process. they have the potential to really make a difference in this stuff i love so much - they are that smart and that good.
but, i can see the laziness of their thinking. their work is highly energetic and i'm not accusing anybody of not working hard enough on the work here. i just think they are seriously stuck in the copycat phenom. maybe they can make a break with it and become awesome. or, maybe they will just do what they're doing over and over and over until no one cares anymore. sound familiar?
however, if making a living is all this is about for you guys - then congrats! you're doing a spectacular job. keep it up and more power to ya! your work is wonderful.
but, if they desire more from their efforts, maybe something that will survive beyond them, then maybe they should think abput my comments a bit. it's only because they are so good that i even make these remarks. i hold them to a higher standard. otherwise i'd just ignore them like i do so many of you other guys.
art, im not trying to call you out, or add fuel to the fire, but youve certainly made a name for yourself in regards to commenting on how unoriginal many gigposters.com affiliates tend to be.
being a child of the present day in the "fine art" community, how original is "original?" and is it even worth debating?
WHY YOU LITTLE!!!!
Nah, I respect that you have those feelings. All I can say in reply is that we are always trying to experiment and try something new with our stuff so it's hard to hear that you think we are lazy. We try to never make the same poster twice. We're very concious of letting our inspirations be just that, and not rule our design. Honestly, I think our biggest inspiration is each other's art and test prints, so maybe our own incestuous design replies to each other seem lazy, eh.
We work hard and make a modest living off of doing what we love. We do work that we feel is appropriate for our clients and push ourselves to do new things - sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
To say "so many other folks in the design world have pointed out the same thing about you guys" seems unecessary. I respect your opinion but you should probably let these "other folks" talk for themselves.
Right, so in the interest of an informed, reasonable debate:
1. Is there someone/something in particular that you feel AA is actively copying so *directly* that you feel it's keeping them from making their *own* statement?
2. And if all they've been doing is copying, what is it that you feel makes them so (potentially?) TALENTED?
I'll take my answer off the air, thank you.
I mean, the inclusion of the illustrated elements here as such a large part of the design IS a manner of branching out and trying something different than AA's usual style, but without losing the identity they've worked so hard to establish. Pretty effective I'd say.
I'm not interested in starting a debate here, but when you can recognize a designer's work immediately from a thumbnail, it seems to me that may be an indication that they have developed their own style. And it's a good one. Same can be said of Print Mafia.
this looks like and old oz poster from british psychedelia days. who was the artist on those things? i forget.
ya know, i'm going to be sorry i said this to you guys (because you are so highly regared and popular), but isn't it time you developed your own style? you guys are a couple of the very best copycats i've ever seen - you are like copying aesthetics and not image, even. you guys are SO TALENTED, but you are lazy. in fact, it seems to me that i called you lazy in this forum way back when i first encountered your work. i guess, i was hoping it was temporary or maybe a learning curve. but after this poster, i gotta say, it's high time for you guys to fish or cut bait.
so many other folks in the design world have pointed out the same thing about you guys. i just gotta say, that copycatting does not make a long acreer move. you guys are brilliant but you need to move on and think for yourselves.
just one man's opinion. sorry.