i see what you're trying to define, but i go back to what i said in my last post. there has to be a agreed upon definition of art before it can exist. naow, we all agree there is a "god" (excluding all those mad athiests out there), but every single person defines that god slightly differently. and look at the madness that ensues.
if we decided to take a fiction like "god" and accept him as a reality, then it is not considered madness, but reality. it becomes truth.
so, when you defines "art" as "anything an individual wants to call 'art" then you've got no definition, just chaotic madness.
you see this lougie i just hacked up? i call it "art". and i want you to respect it as such, cherish it, admire it and bestow value upon it. i also have this urinal over here...
"If "art" is only whatever a sole individual thinks is "art", then there is no definition of art and it ceases to exist as a concept."
But, you just defined it as 'whatever a sole individual thinks' negating the idea that it no longer exists.
if "art" is only whatever a sole individual thinks is "art", then there is no definition of art and it ceases to exist as a concept.
can you understand that? definition is an agreed upon view of reality.
lily tomlin it a collective hunch. you seem to think you can re-define reality at will, on a whim, with youthful enthusiasm. i see that as a textbook definition of insanity.
"beware! on this path lies madness!" wooooo....!
no. i've printed posters that are functioning real posters on metal, records, plastic, even garbage found on the street. they worked and functioned as real posters. when i printed on a tshirt (or in this example - a book) it stopped functioning as a poster. it's called the "borderline of reality". it stopped being a poster when i actually applied my design to something that already had another cultural definition/function.
it's easy to push a borderline, but it's really hard to change reality.
but, but your reality, i'm at war with, who? you? really? hmmmmm...
nope. it's a book with an ad on it.
when i did that poster printed on a tshirt, i hung it around town and people tore it off the poles immediately and began to wear them. it ceased to be a poster at once and became a tshirt. "they" set the definition, not "us". it's called "reality."
we can attempt to alter the definition, expand it, etc. but that change happens very slowly over time. maybe some day people will look at a book and say "look at the poster". but until then, this is a book.
i can call a chicken a table, but it doesn't make it a table. it's a chicken.
seems to me your pointing out my "negativity" is rather negative of you. is that a correct analysis of the situation? you could have said "right on, art! it's about time somebody pointed out the truth!" but, you went with the sneering snide remark. a most negative approach. so sad.
not negative. just setting little ghostie straight on his/her thinking. just stating the obvious. if you go around thinking that you are inventing the wheel, then somebody has to have the nerve to point out the mistake. the emperor really does have no clothes on.
it's still not a poster. it's a book. just the facts.
(i think it's a readers digest condensed literature book, too.)
fresh? free-thinking? new? oh, brother! the hubris of youth (and ignorance).
we did the same stuff 25 years ago. didn't print on a book. but we printed on all sorts of crap. i even printed a poster on a tshirt and hung that around town.
guess what? it turned out to not be a poster, it was a tshirt.
old news before it happened.
the whole point of this idea is to push the concept of what defines a poster to it's break point. well, it worked, it broke. it's not a poster.
if i silkscreen an ad on the side of a car is it a poster? no. it's a car with an ad on it.
this is a book with an ad on it.
they win. they broke it.
after reading these comments i've come to two conclusions that this is a cool concept. even though getting the target audience to see it would be rather hard... i think the perfect forum would of been a used book store in a stack next to a shelf... but what's the chances of someone seeing in time... ...and art can be a dink.
JGex, that was funny!
assuming that there's some truth to all humor, i'll try and condense it for you,
perkin's called peveto a dingle-berry. maxflo said it was gay(big surprise there...) then art chantry came to perkin's defence, and like everything here on this site, perkin's took it all wrong and clay had to ban him.
201 posts. should I bother taking the time to read this or can someone condense it for me?
hahahahaha, get it? Condense? You know, like the Reader's Digest Condensed Novels........
OK, *I* thought it was funny.
don't get so testy. i really don't much care what you end up doing with much of anything. this was simply a discussion about what these things are. that's all. no conclusions, no actions taken or suggested. just a discussion. it's exactly what is supposed to happen when somebody posts a book on a poster sight. the discussion was good and eveybody is happy (except the usual hateful folks). it's supposed to be the reason this site exists. discussion.
i think art was referring to posters that are just SOLD at the shows and never used to promote.
like right off the top of my head and if im wrong sorry, but like pollocks for phish are just merch.. and arent ames bros for pearl jam just merch?
or maybe im confused. which is probably the case.
in the end, id have a cup of coffee with any of you boobs.
Art - quit arguing for the sake of arguing. It has always been a rule that everything on this site has to have been physically used to promote a show. Not merch or souveniers. Go read the rules on the submit page over again. Its been the same since day 1. Its not that difficult to understand.
I have nothing to "figure out eventually". Obviously, you need to figure out how to read and comprehend the simple rules.
Nothing has changed with the rules, and nothing will. The site is running exactly how I want it to.
And .. as always, as one man, I can not know the entire history behind every image submitted to this site, so I rely on people letting me know if something has been posted that breaks the rules ... and I remove it.
after rading what you wrote, i have to admit, i now offically have no idea at all what is appropriate for this site. hell, i thought it was posters. then it was anything that sells a show, now it's some things that sell showss and not other things that sell shows. and bow tou are saying that anything that is sold as "merch" only (aka a souvenir'), is not eligible. but a huge number of the things on this site were never used as advertising, but sold ONLY at shows.. i don't understand anymore.
i guess it'll be up to you to figure it out eventually.
best of luck, there, buddy.
Art - I haven't 'opened' anything up. The rules have been the same since day 1. Thats why there are non-paper items on the site already. Tons of 'em.
I won't be approving tour shirts. In most cases they are made and sold at the shows. The are a merch item, not a free item handed out or posted around town to advertise. They are souveniers. Big difference.
Like I said, if someone were to print t-shirts that had band / venue / date info on them .. and went around stapling them to telephone poles .. that I would accept.
i actually rather thrilled to hear you've opened up the sight to include all sorts of promotional things. you might get swamped with tour shirts, though (which definitely promote shows).
as for my tshirt thing, i was only using that as an example to promote the discussion. i needed to come up with something that i had done that was similar in it's "misapropriation" or whatever.
i wasn't being bitchy, i was just doing a discussion, expression ideas both in agreement and contradictory, even challenging. that's how a discussion works. you may note that i even came around at the end and expressed excitement at the propect of diversifying items on gigposters away from just posters. nothing bitchy about it. you're being too sensitive.
Alright .. since some people are having a hard time understanding the rules on the submit page, let me clarify.
This site has never just been limited to posters. It has always been gig posters, handbills and flyers from around the world. When I started this site, I didn't even know that screenprinted posters existed. It was all photocopied flyers and handbills. I called them posters, because .. well .. thats what I called them. The site evolved, grew and people started posting all the amazing art you see here today. The rules remain the same.
This site is an online interactive gallery used to display these items.
If you look around the site, you will see photocopies on regular paper, limited-edition screenprints, prints on metal, vinyl records, fabric, cardboard, wood, plastic, glass, etc. Basically, if the item is either hung up around town, or handed out .. to advertise the bands and bring people to a show at a specific venue, it belongs on this site.
These books definitely belong. I see them as unique and cool handbills, spread around town to advertise the show. They are not posters.
If someone printed up 1000 frisbees with band, venue and date info on them and handed them out to promote a show .. yes ... it belongs on this site. Same as the books, I would consider these fancy handbills.
There are many things that I will not approve on this site including: promo posters, festival posters with no band names, posters that were not used to advertise the event, newspaper or magazine ads (as they are not an actual item in themselves), designs that were never physical items (portfolio stuffers etc), non-music posters .. etc etc etc.
Art - I'm not sure what the story is behind your t-shirt thing .. but if you printed them out .. and either handed them out to promote the show, or hung them up around town .. they belong on this site. Please submit it. This is no different than people printing on pillow-cases, frisbee's or beer glasses. If people get creative and use media other than paper to advertise a show, it belongs to be seen on here. The site will still remain 99% posters, as it is the most economical advertising tool for most shows.
this is excellent fellas. Great concept and you had the taste to see it through in execution as well.
it's a good thing Geoff, Christian, et al. aren't making posters with the thought of them being judged, or deemed unfit to be shown or displayed on any "poster" site. This is an extremely creative solution to the same problem we all have when making posters, which is trying to effectively reel in the fans of these bands, and hoping to get some new folks interested enough to check it out as well. Sometimes I even question how effective slapping a poster on a wall or window is for accomplishing this. To nitpick this is just retarded. Thanks to Clay for even accepting these to be displayed here, and thanks to DRDC for daring and sharing.
Negrodamus predicts: The Decoder Ringers will move to Houston--where conceptual art is king. They will be received as heroes and get laid with high maintenance sprongy-haired art scene girls who have fat bank accounts an like to do crystal meth.
a few years back, jamie sheehan sent out xmas cards that were silkscreened on a brick (standard red). it even had an fda nutritional informational chart (just so them hippies would know that they could actually eat dirt if they wanted to).
is that a poster, too?
wezzburlesque 2005-07-15 12:44:35
"would goat skulls with show info be acceptable for death metal show promo? i have a stack waiting"
now THAT would rule. ESPECIALLY if they were hanging on poles around town. I wonder how fast I can get to a slaughterhouse...
I dig it.
Sweet idea...sweet execution.
And yea....its 'art'.
Is that wing of the Louvre thats full of antique furniture 'art'?
I thought the whole 'art-deco' thing 100 years ago cleared this up...that ANYTHING could be art.
Cause the artists SAYS SO.
Nice work, DRDC.
I was justbustin' Pevetos balls with the Gay comment.
I think this book/poster/advertising object is silly. But that's about it. It clearly wasn't made for somebody like me to appreciate anyway.
And Death Metal beer glass posters would be equaly silly.
a few years back I saw a pair of underwear tacked to a wall advertising a show by a band called the Skid Marx. I considered that a poster at the time. In retrospect maybe that was simply because it was hanging on a wall. I'd consider this more of an advertising object.
Given the client and fan base I think calling this "gay" or design wankery is off base. It spoke to the bands and their fans, it created a buzz about the show and made the promoter happy. What more could you want from a piece of advertising? Great job!
Sasha's right . We don't approach anything poster design wise that isn't going to be fun. This is the side of our design company that is the freedom part. where the client has complete trust to let us do our thing.
our ideas are to push the envelope but we aren't trying to show off. those comments seem to stem from insecurity with someone's own work. we're just trying to keep things interesting.
And Art I don't think this qualifies as a traditional poster at all. We are trying to break tradition. Isn't that how everything evolves?
i'd say these are posters which have been posted onto bound books. does the definition of a poster say "must be posted on a wall"? if so, they could be called flyers which have been pasted on a bound book.
sadly, i'm not trying to be sarcastic. i'm honestly excited about getting a chance to show all kinds of weird crap i've done over the years that i think is really nifty. it's "show and tell" day in grade school for me.
lotsa cool junk coming your way, folks.
i really really get confused over discussions of what constitutes "art." a contemporary art history class i recently took spent many many many many many many many days on everyone discussing/ arguing over what "art" was or wasnt.
design is art as art is design in the same way a square is also a rectangle. at least, to me. but im pretty open minded about what "art" is because i have trouble seeing why it really matters.
but, everyone's got an opinion, and everyone's right in my book, i guess.
but, christian, yous and i's are gonna have it out next time i see you! im gonna scratch my art all over your well thought out "solutions."
clay should re-name this sight "gig solutions to problems".
i think i'm going to start loading this site up with everything i can find that i can that fits that thinking/description/whatever.
i figger clay will nix everything i post, but they will all be considered calefully thought out items just like those books.
what's fair is fair, right?
that means you guys can all start loading in tshirts meagazine/newspaper ads and frisbees.
i can't wait. there is going to be so much cool stuff on this sight now.
Artó we're on the same page. I think you have a valid point, and it's interesting to explore these issues.
Again, i'm not really concerned wether it's a poster. It's a solution to a problem, and a good one. That's all i really care about.
BUT i will say that i disagree with newyear about this being "art." It ain't art, it's a considered, thought-out, strategic solution to a problem.
Now listen westward for the sound of Richie's head exploding....
I'm only clarifying what is allowed on this site. By Clay's guidelines this is an advertisement for a show.
I'm not going to try and convince anyone that it's a poster or try and set an all encompassing definition of what a poster is. Everyone has their own definition of what a poster is. There are plenty of arguments about what constitutes posters even when they are all printed on paper.
We are pushing boundaries. If folks like that then great if not I don't care. We apply different thought processes when it's appropriate. You wouldn't see me doing something like this for Mastodon but you will see me make a kite kit for the Flaming Lips. If you are too close minded to accept something out of the norm then I don't care to engage in a discussion about why you are right and I am wrong. If you dig it I'll talk about what's next with you.
It's all subjective anyway. This is a valid advertisement for this show. It is unconventional but it promoted the show. It fits this sites criteria to be seen here.
as far as im concerned, and with how i know the decoder ring as people, this was something FUN and different for you to do, no? it wasnt necessarily a designer's "Show off" piece, or an attempt to stick a fork in what most folks here at GP like to call "traditional posters," but more of an exercise in creativity. isnt that what art is? isnt one of the best parts of making poster art our(the artists) ability to do something unique and different? to me, this is as much a "poster" as designing a desk is "art." it never ceases to amaze me how many artists get worked up over other artists doing something "different" or thinking outside the usual box. i always saw art as the ability to accept new and unusual ideas and concepts. did these pieces "succeed" at advertising for the show? how many people will actually go to this show because of this street promotion as opposed to print and/ or radio promotion? is there ever a way to tell what promotion for a given show is more "successful" than others these days? does that make sense? all i know is, if i lived in austin and saw one of these hanging out in a book store, i'd say "damn, that's a good idea," then i'd take it, even if were to go to poster hell because of it.
Art, the internet is not completley full yet, they still have room for you to start your own site for you to administer it as you see fit. I think Clay does a damned good job doing as he sees fit for the good of his site.
that's really cool. you posted the verbatum description of what clay defines as a gigposter. so, i guess the book is a gigposter.
so, i guess i can start newspaper and zine ads and tour shirts and shit like that.
thanks for clarifying that for me.
ok, you misunderstand me. i'm nor asking for this item's removal (although i would not get upset if it was). i'm simply trying to figure out what is going on. this item is a direct challenge to the working definition of a gigposter here on this sight.
maybe my observations point toward a rather arbitrary and contradictory standard on this sight. frankly (and i've said this many times before) i really don't think most of the posters on this sight honestly qualify as a gigiposter in that they don't really advertise anything, but are souvenirs. for me, that's a huge proble. now, an item like this was apparently actually used for advertising, but isn't a poster that was hung on a wall (or was ever intended that way). but, then i'll bet many of the posters done on this sight have never seen a day oadvetising an event hanging anywhere ever.
so, to further clarify the problems i see with this item - if this is ok to post on site about gigposters, then tour tshirts and frisbees and funny hats and ballpoint pens or anything else that has the proper date/place/band should be acceptable. right?
i got a lot of stuff i could post here if such were the case. maybe even a couple of book jackets...
Only reason I could see a t-shirt used as show promotion being treated differently is because it's so ingrained that those are merch. But under these same guidelines, Art's show promoting T-shirts should be allowed on.
from the submit part of this site:
A gig poster is an advertisement for a live musical performance."
this was 100% advertisement for this show. Unique yes, posted around town yes, hung on a wall no. It meets the requirements to be posted here.
yes yes, that's what i get for trying to respond to numerous points in one post. wish i could go point-for-point but it would take way too much time!
so my overall point was: is it a poster? No. Does it do a better job than a traditional poster would have for this event / does it solve the problem? I think so.
So if it "breaks the rules" and needs to be removed from the site, then that's fine. I have no problem with that. I didn't design it for GP (or other designers tee-hee), but for the promoter, band and fans. And regardless of if it is removed, all this discussion has been a lot of fun. So there's certainly benefit in it's temporary inclusionó even if it's just in clarifying the rules (and how to break 'em).
Allright, back to work....
note: there is a typo i made in my comment. the last sentenc eof the first paragrah should say that it DOES NOT legitimize it as a poster. it makes a BIG diference.
i wish i could make a correction after the fact on comments.
your response to the question seems confused. you defend it and reject it as both a both and a non-poster at the same time. you seem to have mixed feelings as well. a few points: nobody is saying thatit is NOT appropriate for the band or isn't a great design or isn't extremely clever or anything of that sort. however, i do insist that merely having an advertising function legitimizes it as a poster (like you seem to suggest).
i think maybe you don't have a working definition of what is a poster. it's all just promo advertising novelty (aka design culture "good taste") passing for ideas.
i dunno. personally i think this piece (at least for me) goes over the line and is NOT a poster. my tshirt poster did the same. the realities of what is a "poster" is gone and the world of "frisbee" has been entered.
just a few thoughts. keep in mind i've struggled with just these problems for over 30 years and i guess this is where it comes down for me.
so,i guess it should be removed from gigposters (in my opinion), or else we need to start allowing tshirts on the sight (so long as they have datye/place/band).
in response to your note to me - i have no idea what you are talking about. but then, i seldom do. if you want a response, i'd say take a close look at this item we are discussing and tell us all why you think it should stay or it should go (why it is a gigposter or not a gigposter). keep in mind that whatever you decide will be aplied across the board by readers. then i want you to consider some tshirts i did that i claim are actually posters....
Shit like this makes me glad I don't make "posters" anymore. It is total wankery. Completely absurd.
Sure it is a neat idea and all but it is just so... so.... GAY!
Like, it is just flexing. All show... no go. Like a tricked out Malibu with a 4 cylinder engine.
this is a great idea ,
is it a poster? read the art of modern rock page 471.
(heh, this concept has actually given me some .. ideas...)
maybe i will write the band info on my hand and then nail that to a telephone pole, as some of us here are martyrs to our philosophies..
...i ldo ove the display photo of the books, you could not have shown them and the concept any better. great photo.
I don't even know what to say here.
I don't know who these Decembrists people are and I only have an inling of what they do.
I know who the Decoupage Stink are...and they need to stop designing for designers.
I love this idea. I don't think I'd (personally) call it a poster though.
I do think it serves the same purpose as a poster(advertising). And (for this band) this is GREAT advertising.
Planes and cars both move people, but they aren't the same vehicle.
Now we're havin fun!
So Art's question is a tough one to answer. Just because i say it's a poster doesn't make it so. In fact it's not really MY poster. Once i hand it off to the promoter and they're posted around town they belong to the band and the fans, but that's sort of a cop out answer...
Is it a poster? Are we talking form or function here? If we're talking form, then there's no way in hell it's a poster... BUT if we're talking function, the conversation gets more interesting.
It's a solution to a problem.
We were hired by a promoter here in the southwest to promote The Decemberist's show in Austin. Did it create buzz about the show? You bet. Was it more impactful and more memorable than a traditional poster would have been? Absolutely. So problem solved.
Past that, finding these all over town created an experience that really meant something to the fans and made non-fans want to figure out who the hell the Decemberists are. Thatís priceless. The band absolutely loved them, and now loves the promoter for taking such good care of them. And for the first time in my experience (and probably the last), when payment for our services showed up it was MORE than we billed our client, with a big note of thanks.
Now as far as itís relationship to a novelty item, iíd say itís a different beast. Why? Because the form was determined by the nature of the band, rather than chosen for itís general wackiness. To call the decemberists a bit bookish is an understatement. You have to answer trivia about early 1900s female novelists to qualify for presale tickets to their shows!
I could write forever about this stuff, but right now I have to go meet the decoder kids and their ladyfriends for tacos and some rock-n-roll music. Iíll check back in tomorrow. Keep it coming!
Response to Art:
"clay's definition of what is an eligible gigposter is "
This site isn't just for gig POSTERS. As it says in the title .. Gig Posters, Flyers and Handbills from around the world!
Basically ... its an archive of items used to promote a band playing at a venue. This includes books (basically a fancy handbill).
I do not approve posters if I know that they were never used to promote the show. However, it is impossible for me to have the full background on every image submitted to the site.
If anyone knows of any posters that "break the rules" that appear on the site, please email me the poster #'s and explain why.
so YOu did this, huh? now i know that, i can see your thinking all through this thing.
ok, chris. tell me, then. is this a poster (just because you say it is?)
i'd love to hear your thoughts on it.
Art, that "nailed to telephone pole" idea is great. I wish we'd done it.
I actually got the raw fuel for these when we were in Maine rummaging through old junk stores with Bielenberg, Art and the Project M group. I came across a few of these and those old vintage piano rolls i used for the first Decemberists poster. Didn't know at that point what I'd use them foró just knew i loved 'em...
well the only credit I can take on this is being smart enough to answer Christian's E-mail when he wrote "Art Chantry sent me"
This was Christian's concept and he did it real nice. I did make him design an actual "traditional" poster using the elements of the spine. I can post a pic later. Those went up around town too.
But to the rule of actually getting these out into public they were distributed in plain sight. They were able to deliver a message even though it may have gone to a select few.
This band is sort of in a niche market of (pseudo) intellectual hipsters so the folks that knew the band would respond to this immediately. those that didn't, if they opened the book, got a nice little bio we printed on the inner sleeve. The show was sold out I think well before we even printed them and we knew they would. That allowed us to take a risk with the design.
One of the reasons Christian and Paul are my partners is they both think way outside of normal convention. I know alot of the stuff I did with Factor 27 started us down that road but these guys keep us moving further.
i think it would be really wonderful if these were nailed to telephone poles as is. try to imagine what it would look like - books nailed to telephone poles, a big ol' spike sticking out of the midle of it. hilarious.
clay's definition of what is an eligible gigposter is that it has to have a band, a date, and a place. a lot of posters (like political posters or ornametal posters) don't even have that. clay's definition gets to be pretty vague in application. there are some posters here that were completely illegible. many were not intended to advertise anything, but be sold at the event as a souvenir. many were done as a one-off or 'retroactively' or as 'art prints'or paintings even total frauds. they are all within his working definition of a gigposter.
now, i've always operated with a definition of what a poster 'is' (i never realized it until i looked at this book/thing). one rule is that it has to be a legitimate advert or political commentary of some sort (even as a joke or decorative poster). that's the only way to seperate it from a painting.
another rule for me is: it has to be used in some form (or 'danced' as the art matrons say) as a real poster (aka - "posted" somewhere). that means it has to be something that can be hung on a wall (and actually has been). these are two rules i discovered i worked with. however, every poster i do is an attempt to test and challenge rules, but these rules for me have become unbreakable and still be what i consider a poster.
now, these books things are a direct challenge to those rules i made for myself. so, i need to ask - is this a poster? or is it a novelty advertising object (like a frisbee or a pen?) now, i've done a poster that was printed on a t-shirt and it generally failed as a poster because the rules of what posters are (at that time) would nopt allow the users (the public) to understand it was not a tshirt. even when it was hung on a telephone pole, it was a tshirt, not a poster. it was just too impossible to see it as anything else. people took them off and wore them. they said "hey, cool tshirt!" is this book thing the same situation?
also, i have to point out that living within clay's rules of gigposter definition, i literally COULD write the band/date/place on the palm of my hand and call it a gigposter and it would be allowable.
all very confusing and i thank stinkbait for bringing up the challenge. i live for this stuff.
yeah but, blah. blah blah blah blah.
blah blah blah blahb lahb alhb lahb alhb. and then blah blahjbahb , but you said that blbhab lahb albhabhal balhbalbh a and he doesn't even blahb lahb alb.
but that doesn't account for blah blahb alhb alhb alhb albh aand the symbiotic concurrence of blah blah blah lbhalbh.
But if you think that blah blah blah balhb then I just can't blah blahb albh.
This is a lovely promotional item for a rock show. But it's certainly not a poster.
If I wrote the name of a band and the date of a show on my hand and walked around town I don't think anyone would call my hand a poster.
I don't personally believe there are any boundaries. I'll make fun of this stuff all day long because Geoff, Paul & Christian are my friends, but in truth Factor 27/Decoder Ring have come up with some of the more brilliant ideas ever executed on rock posters.
I think they ARE posters because the creators say they are. As to the question, "Why do this...?", my take is this: The current gig poster community is thriving with talent, both in illustrated and non-illustrated designs. The bar is set pretty high, in my opinion. Why not try to be the best, to come up with truly original concepts (not easy)? Maybe it's as simple as wanting to do work that you are proud of.
Boundries of what constitutes a poster should be left to the individual just as the boundries of conceptual art. I hate most conceptual art, but I understand someone likes it so who am I to say that a pice of graph paper is art when someone else will pay big money for that "piece of art"? just saying boundries are for people who want to control. That's all, not arguing.
that's not very fair. i love these things - i'd love to own one, in fact. i think stinkbait is a brilliant designer all around. but, part of the intention , part of the point of the novelty of this thing is to provoke the boundaries of what constitutes a poster.
stinkbait brought the challenge to the table when he did this thing. to ignore it would disappoint the intention of the piece. i say, he insists we discuss it. why do this otherwise?
i dunno. there is a point where gimmicky ideas destroy the point of the piece. i felt the same way about that flaming lips "header card package" thing factor 27 did a while back. a lot of emeck's novelty printing ideas really push the edge as well. i suppose if i put a sticket on a table, it's automatically a brilliant poster, simply because i declare it a poster? or, what? duchamp's efforts aside, where does this idea reach the point of pointlessness? when you silkscreen a poster image on a car (for a band like, say, the cars?)???
now, i know i've pushed these definitions in my own work rather religiously. once, when i had entered a copy of my metal bullethole teengenerate poster and my plastic vacuum-formed nirvana poster in a poster exhibit, the judge (in this case paula scher) declared them "not posters" and eliminated them from judging (but not the show). so, the responses are definitely mixed all a round.
these are beautiful objects, but whether or not they are posters anymore is an open question for discussion.
this is a really great idea. it's a different approach to advertising a show. not only does it fit the band perfectly, but i'm not sure a gig has ever been promoted this way before. placing them in book store, and the like. my only complaint is the photo. you should have shot, or scanned just one book. i think in an odd way it would have had more impact here at GP. but it really is brilliant.
ha! just logged back on. yep, you guys nailed it. a poster for bookish fans of a bookish band. i love these guys and we wanted to do something special to match the piano roll poster i did for their last austin show.
these are two of my favorite patterns out of all the horrible covers that RD put out back then. you should check 'em outó wonderfully horrible....
Reader's Digest used to issue (they may still do it) collections of short stories. They looked exactly like this. The pattern and spine is straight off the books we bought to do this project. they were from the 70's and had really ugly colour combos and patterns.
This whole project was focused directly at Decemberists fans who got it. Both the concept of the band being very literary and remembering the old Digest books.
It was a poster for nerds. We also printed big versions of just the spine that were much larger.
The concept is quite exquisite, but the execution seems a little sparse, like that book just looks so boring, and the sticker so small.. i would never even notice it ..
but maybe thats the point?
a show for only the special book nerds?
Here's some pics to show how they were placed all over town.
these were all wrapped around old Reader's Digest collections. these patterns are off the original books...
I sat on this one for a long time waiting for them to come back around to Austin. We put them all over town in bookstores and record shops and let folks just find them in the weeks before the show. I have a bunch of pics of then next to Elton Johns bio and other odd spots, but geoff will have to post 'em 'cause i'm web-tarded. Did a screenprinted run and a big offset run too.