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Jeff Kleinsmith  
Jeff Kleinsmith  
2002-01-13 16:15:45
Modest Mouse

Modest Mouse Poster - Unknown - Jeff Kleinsmith

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RobSend Rob a message :   just got this one back from the frame shop. so glad i got one.   2007-07-18 14:51:52
Iron Canvas StudiosSend Iron Canvas Studios a message :   smart one, don't like modest mouse but I think it's a nicely designed piece.   2007-04-07 14:47:45
bathroom monkeySend bathroom monkey a message :   i like this poster, thats why i bought it from Jeff.
Thanks Jeff!
  2006-10-10 18:17:47
ricv64Send ricv64 a message :   They called it colorfield , Fastbacks Forever   2006-10-10 18:11:33
danstilesSend danstiles a message :   a lot of painters got famous doing this in the 50's. A couple of Russians blew people's minds doing it in the 20's. Doing it now is pretty, but not really next level stuff.
That said, its still really good.
  2006-10-10 17:31:45
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   "Seriously, what is the big deal." Gee, I wish you had chimed in with that nugget of wisdom 210 comments ago. It would've put the whole thing into perspective.   2006-10-10 17:12:36
ricv64Send ricv64 a message :   Fastbacks Forever   2006-10-10 16:33:59
asbestospress@yahoo.comSend a message :   Seriously, what is the big deal.   2006-10-10 16:31:24
frostbiteSend frostbite a message :   serious contender for poster of the decade   2006-08-09 03:19:48
weathermakerSend weathermaker a message :   this poster is a historical piece.   2006-08-09 00:02:49
obrienSend obrien a message :   so this is one of the hottest posters I have seen in a while   2006-08-08 23:29:13
TundraSend Tundra a message :   I'll give you $50 for it :)   2006-05-09 20:14:17
ricv64Send ricv64 a message :   wow they have one at amoeba on Haight street for 20 bucks   2006-05-09 15:35:27
bathroom monkeySend bathroom monkey a message :   it arrived. welcome to Atlanta!   2006-05-04 13:09:17
bathroom monkeySend bathroom monkey a message :   :dance: :dance: :dance:   2006-05-01 20:12:16
allenboeSend allenboe a message :
I don't think so.
  2006-04-09 12:19:06
aidanSend aidan a message :   booom! 200   2005-05-01 22:44:25
Brian patent PendingSend Brian patent Pending a message :   Reading all the posts on this just gave me a headache and made me want a burrito.   2005-05-01 16:38:17
er code blueSend er code blue a message :   Randomizer loves me today.   2005-03-06 16:48:06
edSend ed a message :   thank you random   2005-02-10 07:29:53
piemelSend piemel a message :   randomized kickass stuff   2004-02-18 13:19:22
perkinsSend perkins a message :   This thing could also indirectly start WWIII, triggering the end of the world. Put THAT in your resume!   2003-07-17 14:39:28
newseamusSend newseamus a message :   I like the colors. a lot.
*just doin my part to get the comments over 200!
  2003-07-17 13:57:41
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   this poster will save the world.   2003-07-17 13:56:28
KurtSend Kurt a message :   Thank you randomizer...   2003-07-17 13:01:03
ClaySend Clay a message :   Very entertaining. Now if I could just get a nickle for every comment posted .. :idea:
I think seeing this poster in person makes it much better. I saw it at Geoff's house and was really impressed. It looked great.
  2003-07-16 16:20:15
Casey BurnsSend Casey Burns a message :   i'm with you, frank.   2003-07-16 16:18:28
kozikSend kozik a message :   I always saw this as a nice exercise in pure design.
balance and color.
  2003-07-16 16:07:17
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   I always interpreted this as a 'mousehole' too. The fact that it was rectangular instead of curved, as assumed, meant that the mouse was a 'modest' mouse...not trying to show off. Just being simple and modest. On further thought, tho...the TYPICAL, traditional mousehole IS curved. So, a mouse which chose this type of opening to his home is actually TRYING to be fact, 'showing off'. So this isnt the home of a 'modest' mouse at all...but an 'immodest' mouse... ..And thats why this poster is all wrong. :o   2003-07-16 16:04:57
Dirk FowlerSend Dirk Fowler a message :   Cool. 185 comments. I thought those kinds of numbers were reserved for posters that look like wallpaper or girls on turkey platters.
I've enjoyed reading this immensely.
  2003-07-16 16:00:45
ENothingSend ENothing a message :   Over Here Delicious!   2003-07-16 13:20:48
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   one thing i've learned from watching my 'scoring' system as i used it, aside from the fact that it's completely arbitrary (which i think is good because it reveals individual attitudes and thoughts), i've noticed i'm a terribly harsh critic (shock). the highest i rated was only 80. the one that of jeff's that started this whole attempt a 'score' approach rated a 67 (without jeff's input). that's the second highest i rated. so, even if i criticise a poster, i may still hold it in high esteem.
think about it.
  2003-07-16 12:45:41
robertmethaneSend robertmethane a message :   Well put Mr. kleinsmith. It's all relative isn't it.   2003-07-16 11:19:38
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   cool, I hearing about the thought process behind things like this. I dog this poster because of it's simplicy, but also because it isn't like every other poster out there..If everything was a devil girl or had a robot in it it would be pretty fucking boring. This deviates, or did at the time it came out and this sets it apart. What's so horrible about making something for yourself when advertising for others? As an artist I think it's important to add yourself to anything that you do..and if the client signs off on it, then what's the harm?   2003-07-16 10:59:36
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   jeff -
score your own work?
i think i'll do it on one of my own next... art
  2003-07-16 10:57:45
Jeff KleinsmithSend Jeff Kleinsmith a message :   I don't always find it necessary to make a statement about the band or a particular song in the way you would make a statement about a play for a theater poster or about a novel for a book cover. But I'm usually TRYING to say something (maybe not always very well). Maybe it's an inside joke to please myself, or to start a dialog with someone else who I know will see it, or maybe I'm just reacting to the personal shit I'm dealing with. (Is that selfish?) This poster fits in to all of those categories. I did it because I was rebelling against what I came from, what I had done artistically, and what was going on around me in poster design. (Remember, this was before the current 'poster explosion' and before gigposters with it's dialog about pink being the new whatever, etc. and daily access to EVERY POSTER IN AMERICA BEING MADE EVERY DAY FOR EVERY SHOW). It was a kind of 'fuck you' to the people expecting a certain thing from a rock poster. It was a reaction to what I saw as typical rock show poster design in the early nineties. I don't think that works as well in today's climate but I thought it did then. I was saying, "look, I know you are expecting me to put a (controversial/ pretty/ any) image here with some type, and I'm not going to do it". AT THAT TIME it did it's job, smashingly. I got a lot of reaction. AT THAT TIME, TO ME, it was highly successful and 'conceptual' by my 1997 definition. Does it hold up? You tell me. It's like when I listen older music like Roy Harper or Jethro Tull or Joy division or Led Zeppelin or Thin Lizzy or UFO, I tend to judge it on two levels: What does it do for me NOW? And what was it's context in the time and culture it was recorded? It requires two totally different sets of criteria for analysis and I get two totally different sets of results.   2003-07-16 10:53:05
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   so, check it out. does this system work at all? for instance, in one 'crit', another commenter pointed out that i missed the 'busy-ness" of the layout that he found detrimental to the composition. i, personally did not find that very obvious or detrimental (outside of the sideways type).
so, i think that fella who didn't like the 'busy-ness' should attempt his own crit and include that observation. i think that would be extremely useful in attempting to figure what we thinkk of all this stuff. mu opinuion should be no more or less than anybody else's, excpet in the points i make.
  2003-07-16 10:50:58
allenboeSend allenboe a message :   ART- I think we get that from the quick "hate its" and "love its" we always get from people on here. If I'm looking to see what people simply think I get that from those type of comments. What I would value from an assesment on concept and craft is a select group like you, kozik, jeff, and maybe even some of the newer people who are starting up succesful practices under today's challenges, to make the assesment. Maybe that's just me.   2003-07-16 09:29:14
PlantweedSend Plantweed a message :   Problem is I loathe most contemporary culture, at least the mainstream/everyday stuff. Of course I enjoy a lot of the local/homemade/underground stuff, that's why I'm here. At least in the '50s-'70s everyday objects were built to last, and had some style to them. Nowadays we have McMansions, vinyl siding, Helvetica signage, ugly bubble cars that all look the same, etc. Know what I mean?   2003-07-16 09:27:39
robertmethaneSend robertmethane a message :   I was just asking art-cuz we don't always get to hear from the artist before judging thier work. As far as craft-I love silkscreen because of the tactile qualities and since I don't have one of these poster I can't judge that aspect. They placement of shapes and copy information is pleasing to look at. The colors are pleasing to "me" . So to me it is successful as far as design. Concept--Well, I don't know much about the band so I don't know if the poster reflects their music. Mouse hole sounds good!   2003-07-16 09:27:23
Platinum RichSend Platinum Rich a message :   all i care about is that these things capture the vibe of the show, scene, etc. i'm simple like that. i want a clue of what to expect. otherwise the designer wasted his/her/my time. that's my scale.   2003-07-16 09:25:36
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   dspring -
i guess 'artifact' would cover pretty near all of that.
  2003-07-16 09:24:30
dspringSend dspring a message :   I shouldn't have said "no one want's a 72 pinto" but yes some people do just as some people collect and document anything in this world. But within all of those pooled items (bottle caps, candy wrappers, whatever) there are examples that are the epitome of the rest, they embody what the rest were represent. At the same time there will be some that are revered and sought after just because of their rarity as well as some just for their aesthetic.   2003-07-16 09:21:56
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   allenboe - ah, but the beauty of this idea is that it begins to reveal the thinking of the people doing the aasessment. you begin to see the inner biases of those involved - as in, "oh, that guy hates anything with a coartoon in it". and it becomes a better way to figure out this stuff.
  2003-07-16 09:20:27
allenboeSend allenboe a message :   But like any assesment a scale or a grade you need someone or a select few to hand out the assesment. For everyone to do it you will end up with the the color brown everytime, because at different levels of talent and experience "the bar" changes and so would the scale. So who is to be the teacher or teachers?   2003-07-16 09:18:24
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   methane -
wow, that's a toughie. jeff's statemments command a LOT of import in a discussion like this.
if it was a 'mousehole" - well. i LIKE that little joke. i'd actually give it lotsa points for that. if it was a rip of a local sign - i dunno. i've done the same thing many many times. at the same time, i consider it a lazy cheapshot (something i know, becasue, again, i'm guilty of that same act many many times).
so, to be fair to the poster and to myself(a bias) i'd give a middle score. 25.
total (without jeff's input): 67.
pretty good.
  2003-07-16 09:16:42
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   plantweed - forget the obvious - try to preserve the stuf that is the contemporary equivalent. dance culture is an obvious extreeme example. what are the current versions of style (like 'googie' was of the it's time)?
i think these posters are a PEREFECT example.
  2003-07-16 09:13:20
robertmethaneSend robertmethane a message :   -Art-Okay. What if you never heard from Jeff on this poster not having concept. Where would you place it then on the "concept" scale?   2003-07-16 09:12:18
PlantweedSend Plantweed a message :   I like the concept of Urban Archeology, which is the study and preservation of discarded popular culture, specifically Googie style/California Coffee Shop Modern/Atomic Age/Tiki architecture, design, signage, etc. I'm starting to take snapshots of all such things in my area, before they're gone. We lose a few every year.   2003-07-16 09:11:16
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   dspring -
also, therre ARE folks who are fascinated by pintos for many many reasons. and i think their ideas are worth hearing. it's not always based on conventional ideas of 'art'.
  2003-07-16 09:10:44
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   again, i dislike the idea of 'grades' as we conventionally think of them. i see much more potential in a 'scale' complete with basic areas of concern to all of us (concept and craft).
it also allows people a basic foothold into the activity of ANALYSIS. when we have to split away concept from craft and vice versa, we have basepoints from which we can look at things and begin to explore our reactions and opinions.
reactions and opinions are BASED on stuff. what is the STUFF?
  2003-07-16 09:08:56
dspringSend dspring a message :   I would have to agree somewhat with that. Just as a packaging is not Art, some people collect it and it also does reflect the aesthetic and culture of the times. A McDonalds hamburger wrapper from the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's are all different, different materials, colours, layout, you can definitely tell when one was made. I kind of relate posters to cars. Cars are utilitarian, some however go that extra bit and become "the" cars of the period. No one wants a 72 pinto, but anyone would take a 72 Cuda. As well as being a nice car, it too is totally a product of it's time.   2003-07-16 09:06:24
robertmethaneSend robertmethane a message :   Artifacts ey. I like the sound of that. I find that a lot of people who have purchased our posters do so because it brings them back . They like having something to remind them of that particuliar show they went to. In this case -I suppose in this case the poster serves as a snapshot of the past for them. I'm not sure the execution or design matters to them.   2003-07-16 09:04:15
standardSend standard a message :   Assigning grades is bound to chafe someone somewhere. But i think it works fine in a general guideline sense.   2003-07-16 09:03:53
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   i wish i hadn't used a 'grade' in there. that's really unfair in the long run. i put that A- as a way for the reader to relate a familiar 'level'. what i really wanted to propose is a sliding numeric scale split into two major areas of concern.   2003-07-16 09:00:12
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   dspring - i agree with you on the simple fact that this is intentionally disposable art. that is the nature of "commercial art" as we defined in our culture.
but that is EXACTLY what fascinates me about this stuff - the realization that AFTER it's function is over (i.e. the show has happened, the product is sold, many years have gone by and it's initial meaning is lost), it still EXISTS in front of you. it's no longer a functial piece,and it's technically not art 9as we ahve decided to define 'art' in our culture), so what IS it? it's THAT basic concept that is the underlying thread in everything i do.
my personal solution is to view these things as "cultural artifacts" (keep in mind i wanted to be an archaeologist when i was a kid). these posters are the artistis remains of our civilization. i hope that 100 years from now, my work id institutionaized in a museum as a piece of this era. it's a remnant of another lost culture.
a lot of my work has already reached that territory (remember 'grunge').
i don't do 'art" , i do 'artifacts'. at least that's my view on this.
  2003-07-16 08:57:02
robertmethaneSend robertmethane a message :   Art--I'll bite. Your scale seems like a logical springboard into a discussion about a poster. We all grade things in some way--it's unavoidable I suppose.   2003-07-16 08:57:02
dspringSend dspring a message :   My opinion on this poster is similiar to Jeff's, I see two large blocks of colour and some text. Very appealling colours but all the same. Art I agree with your "subconscious" aesthetic and compostition theory. But what I hold all of these posters on this site and that I see to, is the fact that they are disposable art, meant to promote 1 show, relay the facts, hopefully relate to the band/bands somehow (either blatantly or subtely) and then they are done. Yes it helps if they are beautiful, or cool looking but going too deep into a poster is like overdesigning a beer bottle cap, in the end it is not important enough. Some people on this site have the ability to consistently produce thought provoking, visually appealing work, but I think that is pure talent and deductive ability, not them sitting around actively trying to propagate some bizarre artistic theories in their work. I like to believe it just flows from some and doesn't from others.   2003-07-16 08:47:59
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   fair enough. but. please note, i'm not talking about "right and wrong" here. i'm trying to asses fairly what turned out to be a difficult discussion about a poster that seemed to challenge a lot of us. obviously there is no 'right and wrong' to any of it.
do you think my "scale" is a fair way to asses posters? would it be possible to use (expanded or otherwise) the scale in order to have some sort of conversational way to analyze posters for our discussions?
  2003-07-16 08:40:17
standardSend standard a message :   Art wrote: 3) art doesn't think anybody here has very nice manners.
I've got nice fucking manners...
Hey, I like Art's summary. I think any comment section that goes beyond 150 posts could really use a summary. And possibly some footnotes.
  2003-07-16 08:38:05
ENothingSend ENothing a message :   I'm like that host-dude from the "What-if" Marvel comic.   2003-07-16 08:36:10
JephSend Jeph a message :   this poster is not my cup of tea. I see 2 squares, different colors and some type. I like a lot of Jeff's stuff. I'm more of a fan of illustrated posters, that's what I like. Probably because I'm simple minded and need things laid out for me. I like Kozik, Coop, Maxflo, on and so forth. And Art I even like alot of your stuff, I think many people like this poster regardless of it's "meaning". It's like means something different to the individual. no one's right and no one's wrong.   2003-07-16 08:35:49
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   the thing that keeps dragging me back to this site is the opportunity to have thoughtful discussions with my peers - something that i used to have in seattle and no longer have in st. louis.
unfortunately, this site has a long history of clever one-liners and smartass remarks substituting for discussion (as do all websites to some degree). basically, poster designers seem to have lousy manners. ok, but let's try to look past that and develop a dialog. let's actually TALK about these poster things we make and discuss different ideas about them. resorting to name-calling is very very small-minded. it's also addicting.
so, jeph, let's talk?
  2003-07-16 08:35:38
PlantweedSend Plantweed a message :   The written word, in the hands of all but the best writers whose work you know well, lacks the ability to express tone, irony, sarcasm, and cadence, in all their various levels, thus misguiding readers as to intent, resulting in often hostile exchanges that would not happen if the parties were speaking face-to-face.
I find imagining everyone in a crowded tavern, hovered over drinks, an effective neutralizer, so I seldom get too worked up.
  2003-07-16 08:31:24
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   think so?
seems to me that things like this just plain feel better if there is a summary.
the comments below are all fair assessments, and not intended to piss anybody off.
perhaps, jeph, if you think this summary is insulting, you should make a thoughful statement and not some smartass insult.
so, i'm asking you straight, what are your thoughts?
  2003-07-16 08:28:09
JephSend Jeph a message :   scab-picker   2003-07-16 08:24:40
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   so, allow me to summarize:
jeff claims that this poster has no meaning at all. he often says that. so, we must believe that his work is intentionally meaningless. is that fair?
on the other hand we all agree (even me, if you bothered to read the posts) that it is a gorgeous piece, well crafted and worthy of framing and admiring. furthermore, we all tend to read meaning into these things, whether jeff intended conciously (or, as the surrealists would have it, subconciously) or not.
so, on a two-prong scale - 1/2 concept (which is the idea), 1/2 aesthetics (which includes things like craft and composition and execution) - of a total of 100 point total (50/50):
aethetics: i'd say about an A- (on a scale of 1-50, it would be about 42 points)
concept: since jeff said 'no concept', it gets zero points.
grand total (out of possible 100 points): 42 points.
other conclusions:
1) jeff is a helluva guy. 2) art is a jerk who picks on jeff. 3) art doesn't think anybody here has very nice manners.
so, fair assesment?
any comments?
  2003-07-16 08:14:27
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Regardless of who did it. I still don't get it.
I probably won't ever get it.
Jeff is tall and always nice to me.
  2003-07-15 23:40:01
kozikSend kozik a message :   nope. this is a great poster. I wish i had done it.
regardless of the creator. if fucking speed had done it i woould praise it.
like seripop..they are retards and backstabbers but their posters rule.
deal with it.
  2003-07-15 23:38:18
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Is part of being an API officer an agreement that you'll suck up to each other and kiss each others asses as much as possible?   2003-07-15 23:36:51
kozikSend kozik a message :   I would posit that jeff did this with rubyliths.
it's a refined design. very nice. deal with the fact its probably better than anything you'll ever do..unless you commit suicide in some spectacular,public and amusing way.
  2003-07-15 23:33:24
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Yes. Software does define you as an artist. Like this.
Everyone who uses Freehand is a retard.
  2003-07-15 23:31:31
kozikSend kozik a message :   Philistines.   2003-07-15 23:30:15
allenboeSend allenboe a message :   Does the software program you use define wether it is art or not? ..... I'm sorry I'm ruining this thread it's late and I'm being stupid, goodnight, nice poster Jeff...really.   2003-07-15 23:29:26
Platinum RichSend Platinum Rich a message :   this has inspired me to start designing my posters with PowerPoint.   2003-07-15 23:27:14
allenboeSend allenboe a message :   Do you mean Art as in AC or Art as in things you hang on a wall.   2003-07-15 23:26:04
8ballSend 8ball a message :   Well, now I'm wondering how long it took to make this poster..hmmmmm
"Is something Art if you hang it on a wall?"
  2003-07-15 23:23:32
kozikSend kozik a message :   obvously the mouse has been exposed to a special brain serum and used power tools to build a snug modern home instead of chewing through the wall with his teeth like his simpler brethren.
Algernon, perhaps?
  2003-07-15 23:21:25
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I have always liked this poster and I don't know why. I just do.   2003-07-15 23:19:25
allenboeSend allenboe a message :   From what has been said in this thread, we're not supposed to. However I see a mouse hole and the mouse has been so modest as he didn't even bother to round the top of his hole....the mouse is like Jesus really, and who is more modest than Jesus???   2003-07-15 23:13:34
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I don't get it.   2003-07-15 23:09:31
allenboeSend allenboe a message :   Nice poster.   2003-07-15 23:07:35
HYNESSend HYNES a message :   Luckily I can, probably the last generation to be taught compulsory Irish (12 years). The subject everyone hates most in school, but i am now glad I actually retained some of it. I also learned latin for a couple of years, now thats a redundant language.   2003-07-15 20:38:11
kozikSend kozik a message :   I can't write Garlic   2003-07-15 20:35:16
HYNESSend HYNES a message :   And Frank, Phoenetics are all well and good, but its spelt sibin. With fada's.   2003-07-15 20:34:04
HYNESSend HYNES a message :   Whats that say??? My eyesight, you know......   2003-07-15 20:32:44
kozikSend kozik a message :   :bang:   2003-07-15 20:32:02
HYNESSend HYNES a message :   Got one in my basement, stills an all. Fuck learning art bollox, I learned how to make poitin. Almost went blind once.   2003-07-15 20:31:03
kozikSend kozik a message :   they teach you how to build a Shebeen?   2003-07-15 20:28:51
HYNESSend HYNES a message :   well you seem to know what it means. And let me tell you, college in Ireland = not college.   2003-07-15 20:27:38
kozikSend kozik a message :   counterform.oooooo.
college fag aint'cha?
interesting how Chantry was calling the kettle black as EVERYTHING in his posters is something else.
  2003-07-15 20:24:59
HYNESSend HYNES a message :   "I'm a closet Liberal'
Closet liberache more like.
  2003-07-15 20:18:40
HYNESSend HYNES a message :   I think it's the letter M, missing one counterform. M for modest mouse, Get it?   2003-07-15 20:16:47
kozikSend kozik a message :   I'm a closet Liberal.
Surrealist? hm...yes...I would agree. except there are actualluy like lengthy,intricate layers of meanings behind each and every poster i ever did.
Pick one and I'll happily deconstruct it for as long as you want.
I think it's completely immaterial hoe Jeff's poster came to be.
it IS and it's completely visually appealing.
I don't know anything about Modest Mouse or La Puerta but I would purchase and display thi9s because it is very very well done.
  2003-07-15 20:10:41
HYNESSend HYNES a message :   red = a hot stone.   2003-07-15 20:06:56
HYNESSend HYNES a message :   I forgot to finish my tirade post, ...I really think chantry gets bored when people lick his arse and tiptoe around his statements. I think thats the reason he leaves not because he ends up in an interesting debate, or someone disagrees with him. Again speculation on my part.   2003-07-15 20:05:34
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   Haha!
White = cotton balls.
  2003-07-15 20:04:06
HYNESSend HYNES a message :   I see grey. I'm severly colourblind. I learned my colours through the rocky denison/mask method. Blue = cold.   2003-07-15 19:57:40
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   I still say it's yellow.   2003-07-15 19:56:29
HYNESSend HYNES a message :   Good God, as soon as Art Chantry posts something after a timely absence everyone starts walking on eggshells, and thinking he'll disappear if someone argues with him. Nothing about this thread was in any way derogatory, condescending, inflamatory etc, - by anyone who posted. It's about the only interesting dialogue i've seen here in months, and thats what it is - interesting dialogue based on a subject we all love and have an opinion on, design. Talk about mixed messages, Jesus, i'm lucky I hav'nt had to read trivial gossip all day today. People are touchy as fuck, and Art chantry has interesting stuff to say. Quit pandering to what you think will happen if someone says this or that.   2003-07-15 19:55:24
piemelSend piemel a message :   like i said... a failed attempt on my part of being funny especially since i am the kid here...
  2003-07-15 18:06:42
piemelSend piemel a message :   like i said... a failed attempt on my part of being funny especially since i am the kid here...
  2003-07-15 18:06:42
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   now now, calm down children...
piemel - how does that sound to you?
just checking. a little condescending and critical of my (our) behaviour? not a great game to play, rene...
  2003-07-15 17:57:43
piemelSend piemel a message :   eh art? i was asking jeff if he could explain what his inspiration really was since he mentioned that he wasnt inspired by the restaurant logo but by something else.
no games here... well besides my failed attempt to start my last post with something funny... but that was good hearted and meant in the bestest kind of way.
i love this whole discussion and hope it continues, maybe not for this poster but for others... the whole context aspect of evaluating a poster is pretty interesting and new to me. It made me realize why I like that Kozik NIN poster so much... besides being pretty to look at with nice colors there are some things that play in the background of my head that make me really click with that poster.. too long of a story to tell.
anyways... carry on. i am listening
  2003-07-15 17:55:22
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   raindog - well, perhaps i did misread your post (even though you worried i was being 'foolish' in my "heavy" conversation, which doesn't exactly sound complimentary). and funkytramp - nope, nary a drop of foam (or spittle) to be found.
i'm just asking questions again. i tend to ask questions that get to the poiint. it makes clients very nervous.
  2003-07-15 17:54:25
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   When things get a little too serious around here, there is never a shortage of folks who think, "Fuck it, this is about rock posters, not foreign policy, I'm gonna start poking fun at all the serious people."
  2003-07-15 17:53:06
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   this RAWKS!   2003-07-15 17:52:13
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   fit cop/fat cop   2003-07-15 17:51:27
raindog138Send raindog138 a message :   i never said you were angry Art.
i was concerned about you being misunderstood as angry.
it has happened to me - been misunderstood plenty.
MY post was even misunderstood by you.
im happy to see people commenting on posters the way you guys do. when your gone - nothing really happens other than....."this rocks"
take care.
  2003-07-15 17:49:58
funkytrampSend funkytramp a message :   "ah, but then it's waaaay too much fun to imagine i'm a crazed asshole foaming at the mouth,isn't it?"
you mean there's no foaming at the mouth going on here?
i'm cancelling my subscription! :evil:
  2003-07-15 17:49:32
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   perkins, what are you talking about? debating is fun and and is a way to wrest ideas out of your head. no problems there. nor, do i expect everybody to agree with me even 25% of the time. but total dismissal based on erro or even unwarrented attack is (by everyone's standards) completely disruptive and off-subject.
if jeff wants to get into the discussion, or if micheal wants to add to it, hey why not do so? why do this other thing that has nothing to do with anything being talked about. i don't understand.
does this only happen when i post? does it happen to anybody else? does it happen to frank? any answers?
so, maybe somebody out there should sit me down and explain the "game" once and for all. good cop/bad cop? is that it?
  2003-07-15 17:44:45
perkinsSend perkins a message :   Art, you're simply fun to debate. You have to admit that sometimes you make matter-of-fact comments that beg for a rebuttal. Your opinions matter to many of us...that doesn't mean they're always agreed with. I don't think it's anything bigger than that.   2003-07-15 17:30:56
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   like i said, raindog and piemel - you guys play too many games. please go back and re-read the thread and try to imagine i'm not angry when i wrote it. you might be surprised that it was innocent.
in fact, why don't you guys go back and read everything i ever written here and, again, put yourself into the mindset that i'm talking in a simple conversational tonew. again, you might be surprised.
ah, but then it's waaaay too much fun to imagine i'm a crazed asshole foaming at the mouth,isn't it?
  2003-07-15 17:20:28
piemelSend piemel a message :   play nice children
what was the inspiration then?
maybe i dont want to know... this is my favorite poster and if i hear that it is inspired by - say- a tampex value pack that experience of dreaming while staring at this poster might diminish... i have no context regarding this poster except that i like to stare at it.....
  2003-07-15 17:13:58
raindog138Send raindog138 a message :   ART - i see your in another fairly heavy conversation - i haven't bothered to read the whole damn thing - hope it's nothing too foolish, but i just wanted to ssay that i sincerely hope that this does not drive you away from the site again. your knowledge is important.
-m thompson
  2003-07-15 16:58:22
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   "Many folk may not appreciate it's simplistic design but then they obviously have little imagination."
This from the very first post.
What a crock of shit.
Lets fight.
  2003-07-15 16:53:40
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   i thought you were referring to the squares in the poster...   2003-07-15 16:51:48
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   Michael that is.....   2003-07-15 16:51:02
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   You're so obtuse.   2003-07-15 16:50:37
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   michael - then you shoulkd work on that. it read to me like you completely misunderstood everything in the whole thread.
same with jeff.
  2003-07-15 16:50:18
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   Oh no. Via the magic of sarcasm I was just reinforcing your statement of Jeff's integrity. It's the only way I know how to communicate.
  2003-07-15 16:48:54
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   Mikey Apparatus was describing Bizarro Jeff Kleinsmith.
  2003-07-15 16:46:45
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   Are you fat and/or slow?   2003-07-15 16:43:27
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   you guys play too many games. and one of them is i always get to be the bad guy. lame.   2003-07-15 16:43:14
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   did i say something wrong? i said jeff has integrity. seems to me that's a compliment. i also apologized for pissing jeff off. seems to me that's a GOOD thing.
or, do you guys assume i meant soemthing else?
you know what they say about "assume".
  2003-07-15 16:40:02
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   Who doesn't like to make fun of slow, fat kids?   2003-07-15 16:28:03
Michael ApparatusSend Michael Apparatus a message :   Anyone who has met Jeff knows what a horrible person he is. I mean, you can barely get a word in because he's constantly talking about himself. I heard he likes to kill baby kitties too. I also heard that he likes to make fun of slow, fat kids. Oh and one time he punched a pregnant woman in the belly just to see what would happen.
Oh, and I taught him everything he knows about design.
And he has horns.
And he drinks the blood of ponies.
  2003-07-15 16:22:24
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   huh, whaddaya know. Looks yellow to me, must be my monitor.
Good thing I usually work in black and white, huh?
  2003-07-15 16:17:07
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   what a beautiful green too.   2003-07-15 16:16:43
Jeff KleinsmithSend Jeff Kleinsmith a message :   Oh, it's green.   2003-07-15 16:14:25
Jeff KleinsmithSend Jeff Kleinsmith a message :   Oh brother...
You wanted context. It's not a Mexican restaurant logo rip. Figure out a new angle. Otherwise what you had to say about it is dead-on. As per usual. We all continue to learn from your wisdom.
Not mad at all. Quite the contrary. I rather enjoy it. I see it for exactly what it is.
True, that I've ripped off plenty of things. I'm not proud of it. I anticipate it will follow me around for years. It sucks. Wish I could go back. I learn as I go.
I try to have integrity but I've made mistakes in the past. I will continue to make mistakes. I learn as I go.
  2003-07-15 16:13:46
GrzecaSend Grzeca a message :   I like this poster in the same way I like Ad Reinhardt and Piet Mondrians work. That it is the decoration for a rock event makes it that much better for me.   2003-07-15 16:07:03
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   sorry if i pissed you off (again), jeff. accusing you of theft was never my intention. i was (we were) trying to figure it out. i had my thoughts on it and others had other thoughts on it. i thought it was a nice discussion.
i know you'd never rip off anything or anybody, jeff. you've pointed that out to me that many times...
you are a man of integrity.
  2003-07-15 15:58:29
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   So, is it yellow or green? :)   2003-07-15 15:55:08
Jeff KleinsmithSend Jeff Kleinsmith a message :   WARNING: Artist talks about own poster, self, career.
Whether this poster is good, my best work, lazy, or even a rip is irrevelant to me. It represents a shift in my way of looking at poster design - AT THAT TIME. I pushed myself to purposely do something different (as I've tried to do all along in my 14 years of doing this stuff). Is it lame? Does it mean anything? Is it derivative? Is it just two squares? Who cares?! It is merely one step on the path. An exercise. So, whether it ITSELF is successful is unimportant. What's important to me is what comes after.
And while most of my posters have been inspired by Seattle Mexican restaurant logos, this one was not. Art told the same story at the beginning of this thread a few months ago and I let it go because it didn't really matter. I saw it mentioned again this morning and I had to chime in. While there are definitely similarities between this poster and that logo - colors are similar and there is a 'door' - it was in NO WAY consciously or subconsciously inspired by the La Puerta Mexican Restaurant logo. It's just amusingly coincidental. It WAS inspired by something, but not by this. I felt I needed to set the record straight ONLY because Art wanted context and a false premise had been established by which it was being judged.
  2003-07-15 15:53:35
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   So? Yellow is still a good way to get people's attention. Same with red. :wink:
  2003-07-15 14:59:02
Dusty!Send Dusty! a message :   i think thats green.   2003-07-15 14:46:33
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   I think using yellow is a good way of getting people's attention.   2003-07-15 14:29:57
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   uh.... that, too.   2003-07-15 14:25:56
PlantweedSend Plantweed a message :   Personally the thing I like the most that came out of surrealism was the idea of "automatic" writing, painting, drawing, whatever; to try and tap into your ego-less subconciousness, where dream images are the purest form of art. Something that Giger, among others, is into.   2003-07-15 14:17:02
funkytrampSend funkytramp a message :   the first place i saw this poster was hanging on stinkbait's wall. i dug it then and i dig it now. opinions opinions...   2003-07-15 14:13:08
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   i think this is an interesting point:
one of the things that the early surrealists used was the idea that if you put strange and disparate images together into one frame, then the human mind will want to create a relationship between them (they call them 'dream images'). it's part of human nature - we want to build meaning into what we see.
the truth behind this poster image is - like mike said - two squares with some type. however, we want to build in "mouseholes" (modest MOUSE) and 'la puerta' (the seattle experience) etc. etc. in reality it's two squares.
it's the secret strength on sooooo much design. jsut find a vague relationship bewteen image and subject and slop them together and our own minds will build all the meaning desired INTO it.
i've actually experimented directly with this idea - intentionally juxtaposing meaningless images together just to see what folks read into them. quite surprisingly, i've discovered that the reason i CHOSE those supposedly unrelated images was that my own mind was attempting to read meaning into the selection process. it was fascinating - some of my most famous work emerged form that experiment (no i won't tell you which).
in a way it's frank's great strength. he's a closet surrealist...
  2003-07-15 14:10:18
rockologistSend rockologist a message :   " erased kleinsmith"   2003-07-15 14:06:10
perkinsSend perkins a message :   Hey, here's perhaps an original idea for you... Print your next poster right on top of this one! :D   2003-07-15 13:58:09
stinkbaitSend stinkbait a message :   I happen to dig this poster. So much it's hanging framed in my house. Right below Art's Flaming Lips poster. To me it fit Modest Mouse because it's so sparse. Modest Mouse's sound isn't sparse but "the Lonesome Crowded West" dipped heavily into the wrongs of urban sprawl. I related this to Isaac's want or need for open unpopulated space. Of course that relation could be so far off it isn't even funny. It is however how I related this design to Modest Mouse and why I thought it was a really successful piece. It's all context and personal interpretation.   2003-07-15 13:56:08
mike kingSend mike king a message :   i always admired this poster for its simplicity. i never thought it was a door or a mousehole or anything but some squares, i just liked it because it was a poster i could never make in a million years, i couldnt let all that space be, i would have screwed it up with a robot or a rainbow or some other shit   2003-07-15 13:52:41
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   dusty -
i don't think that's true. for instance, i was commenting on the factor 27 "bag" poster before this. i don't think i comment on jeff's work all that often.
it's also an area (seattle in general and jeff in particular) that is my personal experience. so, it's what i know. i would be happy to comment on your work, but i don't know it at all. i can comment on my work, but who cares? it ends up sounding stupid. i work best when i can challenge and question other thinkers. it forces mw to use my head and i 'm able to relate my knowledge better. i tend to forget (intentionally) my work (it bores me). jeff's gets commented on a lot, so i once in a while chip in..
now, if you spent more time talking about hank trotter or franko or dennis white or any other 'non-illustrator' stylist, i'd happily chip in, ya know? i know the context there.
  2003-07-15 13:41:34
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   see- what jeff wrote I think is a very refereshing thought for poster art advertising period....its a challenge to interject those concepts into a medium that usually does not support such thought in principle...i.e. its not rock n' roll.   2003-07-15 13:40:48
piemelSend piemel a message :   btw, that quote is from here :
you can find comments re his other posters there as well
  2003-07-15 13:39:27
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   the white creates a greater seperation for sure. I would like to know where jeff started and his progression with this...most of my minimal-esque work has a ton of add and subtract and its very time consuming before I get it to where I like it.   2003-07-15 13:38:57
piemelSend piemel a message :   this dont help much but this is a quote from jeff regarding this poster :
“For this poster, I was inspired by stuff that was coming out around the late fifties/early sixties — a sort of mod-ish theme — just experimenting on less image-based design and focusing more on abstract color fields.”
  2003-07-15 13:37:45
perkinsSend perkins a message :   If they served cheese, Jeff is busted.   2003-07-15 13:36:01
Dusty!Send Dusty! a message :   art- i wish you would be more critical of a wider range of posters (i know im in the minority with this). I think it opens up some dialog and makes the poster that more interesting in the end. seems like you just focus on jeffs work becuase you are familiar with it or can comment about it in context to regional things or things of the era. expand.   2003-07-15 13:35:29
philaarts.comSend a message :   was the food good at that place?
that might be a factor.
  2003-07-15 13:35:12
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   again, i think it would be disengenuous (sp) to attempt to analyze that without more information. otherwise it would be idle speculation and even gossip. we would need a stsement of intent to get to the heart.
like, i need to find a la puerta matchbook and scan it and show you. then, we could compare and look at the elements "in dialogue" as opposed to an "echo". i know, for instance that he added that white inline. i thought it was smart. it separates it from the field nicely and completely. interesting.
  2003-07-15 13:32:30
Dusty!Send Dusty! a message :   im waiting to hear the mouse story.
as far as this poster goes, i dont think its one of jeffs best i like the color i like the simplicity and i think its a nice departure from some of his stuff but i dont get it at all. sure i might be missing something.. but a stylized mouse hole? why would you stylize a mouse hole into a square? I think jeff's subtle use of text really really really helps this piece and makes it a very beautiful design but, like i said, i dont see a aconcept.
  2003-07-15 13:31:35
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   I should have written 'conversation' instead of 'dialogue'.
I just remembered Delicious' Gossip poster. That was illustrated. So, yup.
  2003-07-15 13:31:25
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   sure. when I say dialogue I am talking about how elements (colot, text, layout, type) work together to complete the design. How are they used to compliment or to seperate?   2003-07-15 13:28:41
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   ya know, i think we're at a point that we need more input from the artist. what were his thoughts?
knowing jeff as well as i do, i can likely predict what he will say, but that's not my job.
perhaps jeff should pitch in here?
what was your idea here?
  2003-07-15 13:27:30
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   Do dialogues like this EVER happen on an illustrated poster?   2003-07-15 13:26:52
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   yeah. and it could not be a mouse hole...but I think it looks like one abstracted...which then turns it into layout possibilities and using the colors to differentiate the band and the info...
so there is some dialogue between the elements...without it being over the top.
  2003-07-15 13:25:26
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   and to be totally honest - until you pointed it out, the "mousehole" idea never hit me. i've looked at this poster for years and years and it never occured to me that this was a moushole. being from seattle and having interatced with modest mouse (quite a story, there) and the seattle scene and bsk and jeff and 'la puerta' - it just said "look, i copped the la puerta logo. pretty funny, huh?" and that was it. the idea that it represented a cute little mousehole, i never saw it.
besides, i thought mouseholes were curved at the top. at least all the mouseholes in every cartoon i've ever seen. this may be my very first 'squared' mousehole i've ever seen.
see what i mean by context?
  2003-07-15 13:22:29
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   total agreement. as far as what I think.
one thing i think is that the masses dont get enough simple thought provoking art as they get super hyper active wwf color blasts. So when I see an abstact mousewhole with a nice two tone color field I am excited that someone may come upon this never thinking that something so simple could be striking or appeakling, yet beautiful...the normal reaction is my kid could do that.
I like the challenge to the viewer to find be challenged...and not just hit over the head with an obvious social or political statement.
  2003-07-15 13:17:29
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   over the years, i had the opportunity to jury different design shows (ca, aiga, regionals, etc.) and that's precisely one of the biggest flaws with trying to understand this kind of work. in a jury situation, the context is COMPLETELY removed. all you have is you first impression in total isolation. the result is that the judges constantly go for pretty, pleasing, color, shock value, cleverness, etc. etc. and the work selected is shockingly shallow (we ALL have that complaint). in other words, all the surface value and none of the depth. that's a huge reason why punk graphics were ignored by mainstream design for decades - imagine a punk poster in a design competition - no chance. it may have been brilliant in the extreme, but who could tell?
that's what i've always hoped this forum could rectify. it's a rare place for work to be taken into some larger context - simply because people could actually DISCUSS a piece. unfortunately, this medium is subject to banal surface reactions as well, and such discussion devolve into "i like this and you suck".
so, i wish we would make more of an effort.
and in all honesty, plastk, i don't really care WHAT you LIKE. i want to know what you THINK (and i'm not talking about your OPINION).
  2003-07-15 13:12:39
DWITTSend DWITT a message :   who?   2003-07-15 13:12:15
kozikSend kozik a message :   LET"S GET ONE THING STRAIGHT!
the only thing that's irrelevant around here is me.
  2003-07-15 13:11:31
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   I meant to say I CAN'T recreate. sorry these gorilla fingers are unruly today.   2003-07-15 13:05:28
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   my point being that's all I have. I was never in Seattle at the moment this was made. I can recreate an experience or episode that this was within the context of. I can only speak to its aesthetic appeal to me at this moment...that's where my opinions lay.
You have much more valid arguments individualy within the context of its origin. I can't even debate that...I can consider it and evaluate and gather a greater context of meaning but am unltimatly left with what I have...a poster that I receive through sentient ability....i.e. i looked at it because i liked it.
I do agree that, that should not be the limit nor the level at which one measures good and bad...but with that said...sometimes we are left with these limitations to begin with.
  2003-07-15 13:04:39
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   well, if you want to just fall back on the 'taste' argument, then there is no more need for discussion. you have your taste and i have mine. it's all fair.
but, if you want to really discuss the in-and-outs and different pints of view of something, then we have a real discussion going on.
if you want just "taste", theni actually LIKE this poster. i think it's pretty. beautiful, even. it's a gorgeous design. the colors are great and it's vague enough that i can read all sorts of deep and profound ideas INTO it. perfect.
but, if i look beyond "taste" and really start to figure this stuff out for what it really is, then it's a whole different story...
taste become virtually irrelevant. it's just another tool at your disposal.
  2003-07-15 12:59:34
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   that i agree with art. contect is everything...and its under those circumstances that I like it has come to me. I never lived in Seattle or ate at a Mexican restaurant with a similar sign...non of it takes away from its effect it gives me. that which I like and fancy.
That said I can completely understand that it may also not be one of Jeff's best work to someone else like yourself. Taste is ultimatly flexible to those who take on the role as the audience.
  2003-07-15 12:54:43
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   it's all context. with the background i have with this work, i can see the reasons behind the work and the relative strength of the ideas with a different, possibly more clear view. surface impact means far less to me than how and where a piece was developed and used and how successful it was in that particular context. 90% of the posters on this site i can't properly evaluate because i don't have the context. but some i can.
what seperates the good from the bad in anybody's work is the quality of the concept. otherwise, it's just a decoration no matter how well executed. a DESIGN connotes a larger, more expansive idea involving systems manipulation and utilization.
also, i know some folk's bullshit levels better than others...
  2003-07-15 10:07:27
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   and I totally disagree with you art. It looks like an abstracted mouse hole. and as far as inspiration and appropriation....its everywhere.   2003-07-15 08:56:17
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   like i said before, this may look brilliant, but it's a rip (almost dowm to the colors) of the signage of 'la puerta' - a mexican restaurant around the corner form blt/moe/comet on cap hill. half of seattle's scene ate there regularly. 'la puerta' means 'the door' and it's a brilliant signage/logo admired by most of seattle's designers/hipsters/etc.
it makes wonderful sense if you're a restaurant, it makes no sense if you are a rock band called modest mouse.
sorry to be pissy, but i've never thought this was jeff's strongest work, but some of his weakest. it's like when i just cop an old ad and expect to fool everybody. lazy.
sorry, folks.
  2003-07-15 08:29:13
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   obviously.   2003-07-15 07:38:12
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   you obviously haven't seen it in person :smoking:   2003-07-15 06:11:11
TenebriniSend Tenebrini a message :   I get it. I wouldn't go as far as staring at it for long periods of time though.   2003-07-15 00:26:50
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   simple effective very nice to stare at for long periods of time.   2003-07-15 00:18:53
piemelSend piemel a message :   this is so so good and I dont know why
so good
  2003-07-15 00:06:43
Cody PomeroySend Cody Pomeroy a message :   awesome work, I wish I could find this poster somewhere.   2003-02-23 13:55:21
uncle charlieSend uncle charlie a message :   Kleinsmith, this is my favorite of your stuff.. This and that Legendary Pink Dots you did..   2002-09-11 10:31:56
piemelSend piemel a message :   This is one poster I would love to get my hands on. I never see it pop up for sale anywhere so I'm afraid I'll be hunting this one down for a long long time. Great poster.   2002-09-02 05:01:47
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   this is my most prized poster possession and my favorite poster ener made by another artist within our contemporaries...nice Jeff - you inspire me very much.   2002-09-01 10:31:36
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   Jeff Kleinsmith is like the master of this kinda poster. Like, a mousehole in the wall...but square...because obviously, a MODEST MOUSE would not have the 'usual' door.   2002-07-22 00:37:34
SashSend Sash a message :   Yeah, but German tourists aren't always well received...   2002-06-16 19:35:56
Jeff KleinsmithSend Jeff Kleinsmith a message :   Maybe the German tourists are on to something: don't learn the language and just yell really loud in bad English until they get what they want. At least I try... Pero yo chupo.   2002-06-16 19:19:52
SashSend Sash a message :   heheh... stuff like that happens all the time... and it's complicated by the fact that each country has its own slang. for da record, the correct term is "papas fritas"   2002-06-16 19:12:52
Jeff KleinsmithSend Jeff Kleinsmith a message :   Once, I was in Mexico and our table ran out of chips and I thought I was all neat cuz I had some Spanish in high school so I asked for more "chipas" por favor. The dude lost it and left and I saw him laughing with his waiter buddy so I asked him what I'd said and he said I asked for more sheep testicles.   2002-06-16 19:08:29
SashSend Sash a message :   sushi, geishas y buena arte... una buena trifecta. no sabia de los brujos en el sur... turismo al estilo de Carlos Castaneda....   2002-06-16 18:20:23
kozikSend kozik a message :   ybamos a comer 'medicina' con un Brujo que conocen. Puded ser el a˜ño que viene. Este invierno tengo que ir al Japon muchas veces. Buena comida.   2002-06-16 18:12:49
SashSend Sash a message :   bueno, a tí te conviene ir del punto de vista economico. aparte que el viaje por el sur se hace por muy poco dinero. no hay casi nada para comprar de todos modos. te recomiendo bariloche y la cordillera de los andes por Rio Negro. nunca fui al norte...   2002-06-16 18:05:42
kozikSend kozik a message :   Tengo amigos alla en Buenos Aries Y estaba pensando huir me al Sur, pero ahora esta la cosa mala...habia la idea de alquilar motos y viajar a la Sierra Andes y ponermos drogadas alli con los Indios, pero ahora no lo voy a hacer. Son bastantes pobres mis amigos y estan bien jodidos con el dinero ahora...los Tios del conjunto Natas...
A mi me gustaria ligarme con las tetas del norte....
  2002-06-16 17:58:30
SashSend Sash a message :   y mañana te llevas la patagonia (y todas las ovejas) por $15. la ñ se hace con el option key y tocando "n" dos veces. la brasilera ... u la la...   2002-06-16 17:54:04
kozikSend kozik a message :   Oues, hombre, pe parece que hoy dia con viente pesos nortenos sue podia comprar patagonia en la entera. Tiene que ser muchos anos que escribo en espanol, y nue se come hacer la 'nye' en esta maquinao computadora. Vamos a ver si la chavalle Brasillena nos puede comprender....   2002-06-16 17:46:47
SashSend Sash a message :   esto me esta gustando. Naci en USA pero mis viejos son argentinos y tengo mucha gente en B.A. Como porteño, tengo el rio de la plata en mi sangre pero los bolsillos vacíos.   2002-06-16 17:42:48
kozikSend kozik a message :   me parece bien a mi...Arturito y los otros maricones sue pueden echar a tomarlo por culo. De donde sabes Castellano, hijo puta?
Yo soy Madrileno..y tu?
  2002-06-16 17:38:12
SashSend Sash a message :   Francisco, que joda si nos podemos a hablar en castellano, no? Ja ja. Me parece que a Plastilina no le gustaría.   2002-06-16 17:36:34
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   La Puerta on Pike street. Good eating.. Not as good as MAMA's in Belltown..   2002-06-16 17:35:40
kozikSend kozik a message :   O know, i been there. I found Seattle a grim, depressing town.
And what's with the weird traffic patterns. Laid out by like a drunkken logger?
  2002-06-16 17:33:10
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   if you lived on cap hill in seattle, like say around the corner from blt, you'd recognize this image as the logo for a mexican restaraunt called 'la puerta' (the door).   2002-06-16 17:30:23
kozikSend kozik a message : la mala leche.
Oye, Arturo, me quieres chupar?
  2002-06-16 17:26:12
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   la puerta.   2002-06-16 17:21:48
stinkbaitSend stinkbait a message :   I have this framed and on my wall right under Art's Flamimng Lips poster for Moe. One of my many favourites of Jeff's. It's very striking and Jeff you should submit a bigger jpeg. The typeography is awesome on it and you can't see it.
Modest Mouse does have an architectural aesthetic going on. We used a rendering of a grain elevator for one of ours and a series of squares for the other and they bought almost the entire run from us both times. They flipped when we walked in with them. They are HUGE poster fans.
  2002-06-16 17:05:36
lureSend lure a message :   ah, it's starting to click.   2002-01-14 15:05:20
Dusty!Send Dusty! a message :   i think it really only appears on 2 albums, well 3, which i suppose is alot. i think they more pertain to the songs on the album. Lonesome Croweded West had major themes about urban sprawl and vanishing of open space so its cover had an apartment building on it. Building Something Out of Nothing the title itself kinda talkin about that the album as a B-Side comp.... plus some of the songs are very arch. in nature. never ending math equation etc.   2002-01-14 15:00:02
lureSend lure a message :   yeah, but my question really is what's up with the architecture and modest mouse? not neccisarly concerning this poster.   2002-01-14 14:44:06
Dusty!Send Dusty! a message :   Ok, im clear now.   2002-01-14 13:12:32
Nolen StralsSend Nolen Strals a message :   I think with the "arhictectural" thing, Jeff is just playing off of what exists in their packaging (maybe) or is doing the door mouse thing (maybe) that BlueJellyBean suggested...or maybe he likes Joseph Albers.   2002-01-14 13:10:09
lureSend lure a message :   there's an architectural element to this. and there's a lot of architecture in modest mouse's packaging. what's up with that? not that i have a problem with it, just wondering.   2002-01-14 13:08:06
Nolen StralsSend Nolen Strals a message :   I realize Modest Mouse is huge...I just can't fucking stand them and everyone I know who has either: booked a show for them/played with them/met them face to face, says they're the biggest jerks they've ever met...and personally I think the whole asshole routine in indie rock needs to stop. The singer's legendary misogyny also leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I love Jeff's work, and I love this poster, I think it's one of his best, I just don't like who it's for...personal taste, that's all.
  2002-01-14 13:02:18
Dusty!Send Dusty! a message :   Cause Modest Mouse is huge. And the fastbacks arent / werent / wont be.   2002-01-14 12:56:46
Nolen StralsSend Nolen Strals a message :   No, what I'm saying is...screw Modest Mouse...why aren't the Fastbacks headlining?!   2002-01-14 12:52:12
Dusty!Send Dusty! a message :   come on nolan, fastbacks are classics in the seattle scene. But modest mouse... pretty much the biggest indie band in the land right now. Actaully kind of a strange combo of bands.   2002-01-14 12:50:43
Nolen StralsSend Nolen Strals a message :   I love the simplicity of the design, it's very effective, the type is great to. The all lower case type fits the overall feeling. The only problem I have is this: The Fastbacks are the OPENING band?   2002-01-14 12:30:34
Dusty!Send Dusty! a message :   This things sells for like $150   2002-01-14 12:14:42
BlueJellyBeanSend BlueJellyBean a message :   I would consider this a collectors piece..if you didn't know Jeff's work this might not be appreciated at first..especially if someone had little interest in PosterArt.. My warped mind however loves this piece because I see the green first..then the red.. then Modest Mouse..The eye is being drawn down to the concert info in stages..Wonderful. Many folk may not appreciate it's simplistic design but then they obviously have little imagination..I have two readings on this already..Go wild folks! Think Door mouse!   2002-01-14 12:08:55
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