Plantweed :

HIGH, I tell ya!

2004-10-19 06:37:27

c0met :

One latin woman is a handful. Two...unimaginable.

2003-03-14 09:57:53

Bradley W. Zimmerman :

:o maiden and latina chicks. woah.

2003-03-14 09:38:00

Plantweed :

shaun126: "The fact that you think Iron Maiden is good really ruins any argument you have about a band being good or bad." Oh man, stack any single one of Maiden's like first five albums against PJ's whole friggin' catalog, musically Maiden will just stomp those sissy boys into the fuckin ground. PJ may be nice guys, good politics, etc., but they're like room-temp dishwater, they just sit there. Kick back w/ Number of the Beast on headphones, you'll feel like you've just been double-teamed by two Latina chicks, you'll be HIGH, man.

2003-03-14 06:35:53

raindog138 :

120 has gotta be some kind record.

2003-03-14 04:58:54

Bryan :

Frank, try www.bigpopposters.com for Ames Bros posters. As for PJ, I love thier music. I'm not judging them on thier politics or how they got together, just the music. I can connect with it and have a release that few bands give me. Not that anybody really cares what I think about them.

2002-08-04 19:21:25

seripop :

frank i dumped a pretty hot/cool guy cause he playedradiohead constantlly.. i just pictured myself staying with him and having to hear that same album in 10 years so i dumped his ass.

2002-08-04 17:18:06

shaun126 :

my money is on cock

2002-08-04 16:28:26

kozik :

I wonder exactly what where they running around at midnight for anyway?

2002-08-04 16:23:40

kozik :

thank god.

2002-08-04 16:23:10

El Negro Magnifico! :

*sigh* Dexy's Midnight Runners. And no. :lol:

2002-08-04 16:22:26

kozik :

I suppose your also into those freaks that had the whole cut-off overalls street urchin 'stand up irene' thing going on..what where they called? the Superfags?

2002-08-04 16:21:18

kozik :

dude their like gay albino incest twins.

2002-08-04 16:20:02

El Negro Magnifico! :

What? Anyone that can do justice to Roger Miller is A-OK in my book :-D

2002-08-04 16:19:01

kozik :

yeah the Proclaimers! do those guys fuck each other or what? Only Hank is allowed to do that song. anyone else is Blasphemy.

2002-08-04 16:18:57

JGex :

:roll:

2002-08-04 16:15:27

El Negro Magnifico! :

I've been meaning to get that solo shit of his...I'm perpetually broke, however. That's sad Frank. I can't front on the Proclaimers, though. They do a mean cover of "King of the Road".

2002-08-04 16:12:33

kozik :

and she was fine. I mean a man can only deal with it to a point.

2002-08-04 16:09:17

kozik :

remember about a million years ago those red-haired twin brothers with that 'Id walk 500 miles song/" well my girlfriend played it all the time and I left her because of it.

2002-08-04 16:08:50

shaun126 :

El Negro Magnifico, you might like Shawn's solo stuff if you havent already gave it a try. Listen to his live album if you can find it. Plays some solo stuff and some brad stuff. Satchel is pretty cool also, a little heavier though.

2002-08-04 16:08:05

El Negro Magnifico! :

I agree Chloe, and vice versa. Of course, it's all a matter of personal taste.

2002-08-04 16:07:40

seripop :

as a hot cool girl speaking on behalf of hot cool girls everywhere bad taste in music is NOT a sexy trait in potential mates.

2002-08-04 16:01:08

El Negro Magnifico! :

Do a search at Amazon and see my embarrasingly gushing reviews of those albums. Allan Lorde is the name.

2002-08-04 15:57:19

El Negro Magnifico! :

I love 'em. Shame and Interiors are just great albums to listen to. Shame is dope because it was just some friends getting together and writing some really loose shit. Interiors was great because I never thought they'd record another album(Seeing a review in Keerang!{...of all the mags in the world, that one!}got me pretty hyped). They sorta grew as a band. And Shawn Smith got SO much soul. I could listen to that dude all day.

2002-08-04 15:55:23

shaun126 :

I'm actually surprised there are some brad fans on here. I have a silkscreened poster I bought at a show they played last sept but it isnt ames I dont know who did it.

2002-08-04 15:44:56

El Negro Magnifico! :

I'd like to see Ames do some Brad stuff n' post 'em here...I believe they've done a couple. It's been five years since Interiors...I can't wait!

2002-08-04 15:40:14

robschwager :

touring again? Sweet. Will be good to see Stoner again....

2002-08-04 15:37:31

shaun126 :

Brad is great, the new album is pretty sweet. They say they will tour a bit soon.

2002-08-04 15:33:23

wally :

yeah,me likey the brad

2002-08-04 15:32:58

robschwager :

me like Brad. Stone and gang good.

2002-08-04 15:29:24

El Negro Magnifico! :

On a lighter note: The new Brad album is coming out soon. The only good PJ-related band in existance. In MY opinion, of course.

2002-08-04 15:26:50

shaun126 :

see fo' yo'self http://jillmccormick.iwarp.com/photo.html

2002-08-04 15:22:17

kozik :

so does the new chic have like a super-fine ass?

2002-08-04 15:22:15

shaun126 :

I actually saw a picture of ed's girl yesterday...I was surprised because his ex-wife was a hag.

2002-08-04 15:20:40

kozik :

I bet the Pearl Jam guys get like grade A pussy tho.

2002-08-04 15:19:27

shaun126 :

Im sooo angry and I hate everything.

2002-08-04 15:18:57

wally :

that is sad

2002-08-04 15:16:03

shaun126 :

whats sad is im not at all upset...I just enjoy argueing with you.

2002-08-04 15:13:01

seripop :

grow a thicker skin buddy. this is a wee bit sad.

2002-08-04 15:07:28

shaun126 :

i take your "lol" symbal as though your laughing at me. You have not once tried to talk to me in a friendly manner, so why should I think it was friendly?

2002-08-04 15:05:04

seripop :

and did ya not see the :lol: icon? that denotes JOKING. geez bub, is this yr first time online or something. chill out. so i don't like yr favorite band. as a matter of fact i hate them and think they are the poster boys for middle of the road lukeward so-called "alternative" boo fuckin' hoo. do ya always gewt this bent outta shape when someone shoots down yr scared cows? do ya think I'D give a flying fuck if someone said a band I love stinks? hell no. are you in the band? no? then why is it such a personal insult? it would take a hell of alot more than someone saying the velvets, sun ra or celtic frost sucked to make ME cry.

2002-08-04 14:55:56

shaun126 :

seripop - this is what I read I bet he works for em or runs their fan club

2002-08-04 14:47:47

art chantry :

that last post was directed at shaun. seripop - calm down. now you know what it's like to be 'gigpostered'. you're now one of the initiated.

2002-08-04 14:45:11

art chantry :

i always thought of that as just another savvy seattle joke. the humor in seattle was always to piss on something to make it love you. nasty but effective.

2002-08-04 14:43:47

seripop :

who am i attacking? thinking a band sucks is not a good reason to dislike? WHAT? sorry i guess from now on i'll buy recvords by all bands that sound weak, sucky anoying and phony to me. did u even read ANYTHING i wrote on here?

2002-08-04 14:42:25

shaun126 :

to each his own man, one of the reasons I like them so much is the way they dealt with the media. Most bands that make it do whatever it takes to get out there, I.E. videos on MTV and interviews. After Ten PJ stopped all that shit because they were tired of all the hype. That in my book is fucking cool.

2002-08-04 14:37:39

kozik :

didnt they get a lot of play over like abused children and shit? 'jeremy' I think it was. Imean I assume they are all competent musicians, but they have a weird 'media vibe' that turns me off. I cant explain it..they to me are associated with bands like RHCP and Smashing Pumpkins which I personally find distastful.

2002-08-04 14:32:45

shaun126 :

I see your point about "instant stardom". It sucks but thats what the media can do. Probably why they did everything in their power for years to shy away from the media. Just out of curiosity Frank what political things are you refering to?

2002-08-04 14:29:12

shaun126 :

my mistake, I mis-read an earlier post.

2002-08-04 14:22:58

kozik :

heres my 'beef' with Pearl Jam..they like suddenlyuu appeared out of nowhere. I also think that their 'political content' is a bit suspect. I have a hard time being invested in a band that like has no history especially if they like lay claims to an elaborate agenda. musically I find them 'safe'.

2002-08-04 14:22:34

art chantry :

shaun - sorry, i didn't know i was still involved in this thread. were you picking on me? sorry, i missed it. believe it or not i seldom gat mad, even on this site. sometimes i get hurt, but mad is rare. it's ok, you can like pj all you want. i just thought i'd defend the ames against attacks (i like those dudes) and try to share what i knew (or thought i knew) about pj's sordid history. hope that's ok by you.

2002-08-04 14:11:44

shaun126 :

I guess he's mad at me...

2002-08-04 14:01:52

kozik :

:lol:

2002-08-04 13:59:09

shaun126 :

My apologies to Mr. Chantry, I in know way wanted to pick on you. Im a big fan of your work. I just enjoy a good debate.

2002-08-04 13:57:26

shaun126 :

he is a midget, midgets are hot!

2002-08-04 13:55:50

MaximumFluoride :

Maiden are untouchable. There are some bands in every genre that are just untouchable. Lets leave them out of this. O.k.? o.k.

2002-08-04 13:54:02

kozik :

are you gay for vedder or what? he's a midget.

2002-08-04 13:50:30

MaximumFluoride :

You talkin' bout me again Frank? :lol:

2002-08-04 13:50:20

shaun126 :

its not the fact she doesnt like PJ, its the personal attacks mostly

2002-08-04 13:49:55

kozik :

Metal As Fuck.

2002-08-04 13:49:06

art chantry :

basil - gee it's nice to see you pick on someone other than me for a change. but, really seripop is a nice person, you should really lay off her. she's a young rock chick with a taste for art. no biggie. so, she doesn't like pj. i don't much care for 98% of the metal bands on this site. so what?

2002-08-04 13:48:31

shaun126 :

The fact that you think Iron Maiden is good really ruins any argument you have about a band being good or bad.

2002-08-04 13:47:20

shaun126 :

Seripop, you said you didnt like pearl jam because they make "pussy music", I assume that refers to the fact that its not heavy enough. If not you can let me know what it does mean to you. All I stated is that if that is the reason you dont like them then those bands must also suck. Maybe your reason for not liking them was just fucking stupid.

2002-08-04 13:46:21

Basil :

Seripop you arent the only person on tha planet. Some people actually like Pearl Jam. Its an opinion. Jesus, for an 'art' site this place sure gets RIGID real fast!

2002-08-04 13:44:57

seripop :

i bet he works for em or runs their fan club :lol: comparing pearl jam to the stones or the beatles is trully blasphemy. not liking led zepplin? now that's just SICK!

2002-08-04 13:40:58

shaun126 :

I dont know why you bothered to post that at all. 1. We werent talking about if Art liked the band. 2. I already posted, "I have no problem if you dont like pearl jam"

2002-08-04 13:40:24

Bradley W. Zimmerman :

d00d. shaun. what vested interest do you have in the band? have they put out a hit on you or something? if someone doesn't like a band's stuff, 9 times outta 10 you AIN'T gonna change that. so like, DEAL.

2002-08-04 13:26:36

art chantry :

i don't trust band histories. it's usually a business. i really don't care much whether any of this crud is real. all i know is that nobody i know much respects the band, but they like most of the guys. it's just business, pal.

2002-08-04 12:42:34

shaun126 :

well I have no problem if you believe that the label put the band together. What about the fact that Stone and Mike went to high school together? Or the fact that Jeff and Stone had played together for years...youre from seattle you know that. It also overlooks the fact that Stone was trying to get Jack Irons to play drums, he couldnt do it, but gave the demo to Ed who he knew in San Diego. Basically it seems like youre saying none of this is true. Jack wasnt even in the band and thats how he says it went down. Why would he lie?

2002-08-04 12:34:57

art chantry :

saun - the story i heard from insiders is that is EXACTLY the way the band was put together - by the label. a real "here's yer new singer, see if he fits" scenario. eddie was a so-cal dude with a string of failed bands and contracts behind him and mlb was tricked into recording before the non-compete was exhausted. they were all stuck in big debt (everything is recoupable when it comes to majors - quater mill for mlb in recording debt alone, i guess). they were pretty stuck. but they were pretty much guaranteed success with the music promo machine gearing up behind them. they were lucky it all meshed so well and that they were all a great fit. but they were never a 'roots grunge' band. they were a hard rock band put together by the label to cash in. sorry, that's the story as i know it from being in seattle working behind the senes. just business, always the right thing to do. nothing personal, ya know.

2002-08-04 11:50:58

Steve H :

weeeelllll i got a brand new combine 'arvester,i'll give u the key,come on now lets get together in perfect 'armony

2002-08-04 11:13:06

shaun126 :

RUN FOR THE HILLS...RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!

2002-08-04 11:10:40

Steve H :

c'mon everyone,LETS ROCK! breakin the law breakin the law,breakin the law breakin the law...

2002-08-04 11:07:33

shaun126 :

the greatest bands ever play pussy music I guess...so im down with it!

2002-08-04 11:06:06

JGex :

Hey Shaun, some folks are just more cool than us schlubs who listen to pussy music, ya know?

2002-08-04 11:02:59

shaun126 :

I think to say The label "put them together" isnt really true. Yes they owed money to the label. But its not as though the band were all strangers like the fucking monkees. The label didnt find Ed and say this is your new singer, go write some songs. Im sure you know exactly how everyone got together so I wont bother retelling the story. The bottom line is Sony paid off MLB's debt to the previous record company in order to sign PJ, thats that.

2002-08-04 10:45:50

Steve H :

art is right, pearl jam are really the corporate left overs from the seattle early 90's "grunge" scene, they've been milked and packaged and sold but thats cool, if you like them then great,it doesn't bother me,it bothers some people; being a huge corporate band an all that,nirvana were bigger than pearl jam and i loved em, zeppelin are bigger NOW than pearl jam and i love em; if ur good ur good. we just have different tastes shaun, you're moved by pearl jam and i wouldn't take that away from you, they don't do anything for me tho. and like u say, not liking someones voice is a good enough reason for not liking a band, thats very true, its as true as not liking a band because u think they're lame or make pussy music or whatever, just an example dude, each to their own.

2002-08-04 10:42:34

art chantry :

the history of pj is a bit more corporate than the rest of seattle. they were put together by their label to pay off the debts incurred with their earlier bands. then the record promotion machine went into action to capitalize on the 'grunge' phenom and they cashed in. since then guilt has been their main artistic motivation it seems. folks in seattle all like the guys individually (generally) but most people from back then don't give a rats ass about the band. they were never seen as much more than a coprorate construct. one sad story is that '10' was at the top of the charts for almost six months before they managed to pay off the motherlovebone debt. corporations (and their accountants and lawyers) are evil motherfuckers, ya know?

2002-08-04 10:32:55

shaun126 :

Harry thats a FINE reason not to like any band. Im sorry if you feel like im arguing with you, because im not. You make great points. Not everyone does though.

2002-08-04 10:32:47

Steve H :

yessir, i just like good music, i don't care who it is,if i like it i like it. choosing between the beatles and the stones, whats wrong with liking both? you don't like zep cause u hate plants voice,thats just as good a reason for why i don't like pearl jam. :roll:

2002-08-04 10:18:43

shaun126 :

Pearl jam were NEVER posing as a heavy metal or grunge band, it just so happens they came from seattle at the wrong time, so thats what they were labeled. from day one they were true to what they loved and were influenced by, the stones..the who...neil young...and thats pretty much the style they have always played. Just rock music. Im not trying to convert anyone to be a pearl jam fan. You dont have to like a band just because they have talent. I know Zepplin is talented as hell. I'm not a fan mostly because I cant stand Plant's voice. And thats what makes rock cool. Pick your favorite. Choose sides. Beatles fan or Stones fan?Metallica fan or Megadeth fan? Nsync fan or Backstreet fan? Ok not so much the latter, but you get my point. To say something you dont like "just sucks", or is "pussy music", is IGNORANT.

2002-08-04 10:14:47

Steve H :

shaun, who cares what i think about pearl jam?! to me they are a rock band that don't rock, they're a little bit pretentious and vedders vocals a little too operatic. sure they have their moments but you're obviously having difficulty inseeing why other people don't like em. shit man, i work in a record shop and the kids come in and buy their limp biscuit and corn and systemofadown and seem completely oblivious to the zeppelin thats on the speakers, i don't geddit either, its the same with u and pearl jam. we all like stuff and you think, how could anyone not like this?! its called having different tastes. the beatles i wouldn't say did pussy music, okay ompared to napalm death its pussy music but the beatles weren't posing as a heavy metal or grunge band, they just wrote great songs that you love.

2002-08-04 07:09:43

seripop :

art i was simply going with what u said when ya said they had a hard time getting hired cuz they are a pj ghetto of course the design would be as good with anyother band name. just for me, rock posters are about music as much as design. if i hate the band, it don't really mater how great the design is, i still feel like a chump havin' it on my wall. hey i dig mainstream stuff. most of the metal i like ain't exactlly indie. i simply think that ANY artist who works pretty exclusively doing rock posters and record sleeves for a particular band that isn't very respected MIGHT have a hard time getting other bands who want em to work for em cuz they don't wanna be associated with a aestetic that is popularly known as being that of a certain band. did that make sense? cuz i'm not the smartest.. but whatever. i like ames. i think they do great shit and i'd love to see em do work for other bands.. maybe it'll happen, maybe not, either way it's none of my beeswax- i'd just like to have one of their posters on my wall without feeing embarassed. and by pussy music i mean not heavy. i'm ALOT younger than most of u. the first pearl jam record came out when i was in seventh grade, wearing skin tight jeans, feathered dyed black waist lenght hair and listening to METAL 24/7. i had no inkling of indie music at the time, i just didn't like "pussy" music.. latter as i got older and my tastes matured, i never dug em. foud the guy's voice irratating as all fuck and found the music bland and overproduced. give me maiden any day. and last time i checked , maiden weren't indie.

2002-08-04 00:00:22

MaximumFluoride :

The Ames posters are amazing. I have never ever liked PJ. I just don't like the music. I think one of the reasons is that they got tagged with the label grunge and I never saw them as grunge. Tad, Mudhoney,Screaming Trees and pre Nevermind Nirvana are what I consider grunge. By the time the world knew what grunge was...well, it wasn't grunge anymore. In my opinion anyway. I kind of fallowed the Seattle thing from way before the crazy trends started.

2002-08-03 23:38:03

Bradley W. Zimmerman :

see, i'd have no problem doing a pj poster. in fact, i'd feel kinda honored (after getting my cash) - i have no problem with their politics (particularly after the Ticketmaster thing). in fact, after picking up one of the "official bootlegs" they released last year, i'd even say i like them now. they fill a certain void in 'American' music. (cue Chloe and Harry punchline) PJ is a punchline now. so was Blue Oyster Cult for about 10 or so years there. so were Nirvana. whatever. there's more important things in the world than indie cred. when you start taking it seriously, you become a cliche. often a penniless one at that. as for this poster, i think it's one of the weaker ones they've done. political statments always benefit from a bit of subtlety. of course, i'm sure someone here will chime in with "so it fits the band perfectly, then!" ;-)

2002-08-03 23:32:53

kozik :

Interesting...Hey Art I just turned down a poster gig for 10 grand...as to AMES..their stuff is genius. Pearl Jam? I did stuff for them. They seem like OK..however what I'm not into is the weird 'image' of them. It's got nuthing to do with the music. There's just something I can't get into. Like Smashinbg Pumpkins...or RHCP it just seems like ...fake? I don't know how to describe it. I LOVE plenty of 'mainstream' stuff by the way, I'm no 'indie snob' at all. Ames Bros like are WAY TO GOOD...I hope they get out of the ghetto....

2002-08-03 23:00:28

shaun126 :

I have no problem if you dont like pearl jam. I dont like alot of bands. I'ts just I can name a couple dozen songs that are not "pussy songs" What also might help me understand is if I could get a definition of a "pussy song". I mean are most of the beatles songs "pussy songs" ? Maybe that will clarify for me.

2002-08-03 22:53:58

art chantry :

chloe - the computer sorta cut off the first half of my post. i started out by saying that since you put it that way, i get you point and can understand what your saying. but i also want to point out that i really don't think they're hurting for clients in general, just hipster poster clients maybe. it also cut off the bottom half where i said that to think that they are suffering because of their association with pearl jam isn't seem correct, and that they are doing just fine. at least i think that's what i wrote. i wonder why it cut off the first part and the last part?

2002-08-03 22:48:43

art chantry :

i can sort of identify with their sitution because so many people have 'accused' me of creating 'grunge design' (i just happened to be in seattle when the exploitation took place. my creative work was exploited like the music or anything else was). so, when you 'accuse' them of shaping the pearl jam look, i disagree. i see a bunch of talented guys doing cool (put pointless) images that get the name 'peral jam' slapped on them as an excuse to make them in the first place. they would be just as good if they said 'sonic youth

2002-08-03 22:44:17

Steve H :

i'm gone dude, nite nite everybody. :-)

2002-08-03 22:39:58

alP :

:lol: alright then...will do....get some sleep man...i'm off to do some myself.

2002-08-03 22:39:00

Steve H :

yep its 5.30 my biological clock is fucked up,i work late and get up late,i'm going in a minute,i'll probably do more work! yea my works for sale, i've got a site but its not up at the mo,the servers down , but i'm getting it re-vamped as soon as i get my ass into gear and design a logo. drop us a line if ur interested in the posters. steevharadine@hotmail.com erm,most of my work is on here,but u can see more on ebay. its not up at the mo,i haven't got round to putting em back up yet,its too tiresome, or i'm too lazy,one or the other. i'll put em back up over the next few days,just type in steve harradine. :-D

2002-08-03 22:36:48

alP :

Harry, Harry,Hairy ...BALLS...man what time is it over there...5:30? you thinkin of sellin some of that artwork you do?...let me know, like i said me lady digs it.

2002-08-03 22:32:02

Steve H :

why do they only release the pussy stuff then? :lol: i hear ya man but if every band had to have their entire catalogue listened to to be appreciated, there wouldn't be enough time to listen to other stuff. i don't like pearl jam either but i'm not saying they're BAD as such, they're just,to me, pretty lame and i believe i've heared enough of their stuff to draw that conclusion. seripop has aswell i'm sure. you obviously like em and u can't understand why others don't,well my friend, thats life.

2002-08-03 22:22:31

shaun126 :

If you dont like the way a guys voice sounds thats cool. Or if you dont think a particular guitar player is very talented thats cool also. To say a band like PJ makes "pussy music", pretty much means you are unfamilar with the bulk of their catalog. And if thats your choice which is ok. Just dont make genralizations becuase you heard a couple songs, or a couple albums and you didnt like what you heard.

2002-08-03 22:16:05

Platinum Rich :

HEY PEARL JAM.... rich@luckybunny.net thank you.

2002-08-03 21:36:09

seripop :

hey i don't begrudge ames for working for pearl jam at all. i love thier work and familly is familly and a buck is a buck. however you can not deny that they are now considered the pearl jam guys for better or wors. and if they are having a hard time attracting clients because of it it must be for worst. face it most corporate bands would think what they do is "weird" and most big indies don't want thier stuff having the same look as a pearl jam poster. it's not their fault fault the band they did most of their work for is pretty much universally hated. and no i can't admit i ever liked em cuz i never did. and at 13 it wasn't a matter of "street cred" it was simply cuz i thought they were pussy music. and i don't feel i deried them at all i feel it's a sad truth that no one wants to associated with the designers who moulded the look of pearl jam.

2002-08-03 21:34:17

Steve H :

point taken, no one can deny that they're good, i wouldn't knock em for doing anyone to tell you the truth. i suppose i wouldn't do certain bands but thats just me, its weird how i could turn my back on some bands because of the credibility factor but i really don't hold anything against other artists doing something i wouldn't. its when they become greedy and stuffing their faces with more and more cake and selling their alreadt fat butts to ANYBODY just for more money and cake that bothers me slightly.

2002-08-03 21:22:29

art chantry :

harry - my comments i guess are meant to be directed more at those self-righteous dreamers who think they can only be cool and somehow get rich. and people who attack the ames boys seem to be sorta like that. i watched the ames develope in seattle and they srated out being the envy of all us starving artists up there because they immediately went into the very top band in the scene. but when they proved their worth, we all developed a respect for them, not just as 'artists', but as people. so, to read all of these silly derisive remarks about them just becuase pj is unpopular now, well it just seems lame, ya know? the posters still stand, pj or no pj. phish or no phish. that's my point.

2002-08-03 21:15:12

Steve H :

and yea,i was just using the thousands as an example! i can dream anyway. :-(

2002-08-03 21:09:58

Steve H :

whoops hang on i meant ames weren't wrong to NOT turn them down! i'm tired and its late. i'm saying yea, do pearl jam, they arent n sync or hanson. i know as well as anyone that its more self satisfying to do bands u like but like you say art, they don't always pay great and u'll end up with nothing. if you wanna make a decent living out of poster art you HAVE to do bands you don't like occasionally, i'd do bands that i don't necessarily like, but i wouldn't do a band i really hated,i'd draw theline there. as i've siad, you draw ur own boundaries to who's acceptable to you and who you wouldn't do in a million years. for whatever pay,if ur good enough to be offered a million from one band ur good enough to be offered it from another, right?

2002-08-03 21:08:52

art chantry :

harry - actually, i've touched pj. i did a poster for them through the ames bros. the pay was so-so (none of that thousand you mention. nobdy pays a thou for a poster anymore). phish approached me, too, except i said no - but not because i hate the band (which i do), but because they wanted to screw me (i won't go into deatials, but it was one of the worst offers i've ever been made. right up there with swatch). people who only do work for hip cool bands they like will suffer the indignity of starvation. trust me on this. i've done just that for over 25 years, and i've gotten for it is a lotta smart ass wise cracks form people on this site. the reason i'm not going to flatstock is because i'm too broke. i can't even afford rent this month. that's also why i'm selling my personal stash of posters on ebay right now. this is what 'indie cred' buys you. whole lotta nuttin'. you get all this respect and you're still a fool. ames did the correct thing. so what if a bunch of other poster artists don't like pj's music? i mean really, who cars what we think?

2002-08-03 21:03:23

Steve H :

mmmmmmmmm bop mmmmmmmmmm bop,i wouldn't do hanson,they suck even more than pearl jam NOW I DRAW THE LINE AT HANSON OKAY! before anyone says anything. :roll:

2002-08-03 20:58:14

alP :

"Shit, If I'll do Hanson!!! I'll do anyone!!! " ....i'm 4'11" and a half, i dig the artistic type, i love beanbags and poptarts, a fine merlot and good conversation, rollerblading into a sunset, and worldly stories...shoot me an e-mail, we'll do lunch.

2002-08-03 20:55:45

Steve H :

Ames weren't wrong to turn pearl jam down, i mean,they aren't great,i don't like em either but they aren't as evil as some one like n sync or something, at least they started out poor and worked for a bit. but like you say, ames have got lumped with them now because no one else wants to do them, which is a shame because they do shit hot posters but they're all for a band that no one else will touch, because of indie ideals. there's selling out as in doing a poster for a band u dont like for a few thousand or whatever and theres selling out when u don't need a few extra thousand, theres a difference.

2002-08-03 20:54:30

art chantry :

i love the self-righteous - they're so easy to trip. and i'm not just talking about pearl jam, but all the pj detractors. thanks fer the cheap yuks, now pick yerselves up off the floor. chloe, imagine you're starting out in this stuff and a cousin of yours, let's call him eddie, comes up to you and sez, i want you and your friends to do all my posters for my band and i want to pay you well and that way keep it all in the family. now, imagine they're (at that moment) the biggest, most popular band in the world (be honest, you all liked them at first. no-one is innocent when it comes to pop music. we all fall for it over and over. today's nobel hero is tomorrow's putz.) now, let's be honest, you would say no? what about your 'indie cred'? what about your personal taste? what about your family ties? what about that fact they'll hire somebody else you compete with if they don't hire you? this is the situation ames found themselves in, and they chose the correct path. so, you don't approve of their music anymore, and who does, really? did they make the wrong choice? the only problem they've got now is to start over attracting newer clients, but with one of the fucking strongest portfolios on this whole site. isn't that a shame!

2002-08-03 20:46:06

seripop :

not only that but they are hella pretentious. esp for a band that just cranks out aor fodder

2002-08-03 20:28:45

seripop :

it's cause thier music suck and veder has the most annoying voice in the world at least that's why i hate em.

2002-08-03 20:27:45

shaun126 :

I always lurk but i've never posted, until now that is. I was just wondering why everyone on here HATES pearl jam so much. Is it just the stupid "punk" code where you cant like any bands that gain popularity? Just wanted to know. Thanks.

2002-08-03 20:24:24

seripop :

the point was they are hurting for clients because no one wants to be associated with pearl jam... sometimes if u get too much of a name working for clients with no cred, it ends up hurting ya.

2002-08-03 20:09:27

Cheeba :

Everybody on this post would design for anyone on Ames' client list if you were getting paid....I work with a lot of "big" bands....and I don't concern myself with what kind of music they are....who cares...It does help designing for bands you dig don't get me wrong..... Shit, If I'll do Hanson!!! I'll do anyone!!! :roll:

2002-08-03 19:53:21

Platinum Rich :

*ATTENTION* if anyone from pearl jam reads this, i'll gladly accept your money in return for posters. cash, check, whatever. i'm very hungry and have no credibility to lose. thank you.

2002-08-03 19:17:25

Steve H :

okay i see now, they're a really good design team who can do really great posters but they're also the only people who'll do pearl jam posters on that scale. well,i could guess u could call em pearl jammy then.

2002-08-03 18:44:43

seripop :

well no wonder no one else wants em.. who wants to be associated with phish or pear jam? not fuckin' me.

2002-08-03 18:35:08

kozik :

the only(in my personal opinion) 'decent' band they do shit for is Radiohead. They do Phish posters. Even at my ultimate whorish best I would not do a phish poster. And Im one hell of a slut.

2002-08-03 18:32:55

seripop :

i love thier work but would never put anything endorsing such shit music on my walls.. man i figured these guys were hella rick and fighting off clients.. i guess not too many bands wanna hire the pearl jam guys...

2002-08-03 18:23:04

art chantry :

call them. they'd love it.

2002-08-03 16:54:19

kozik :

I checked out their site and the parts that work are nice. not a good spread of bands tho..they had 'snowboards' listed at that they would excell...but it was not 'active'... I wonder how expensive they are.

2002-08-03 16:51:23

art chantry :

i personally know they'd love to do more stuff for others, but in a sad way, they got pegged as the 'pearl jam' guys. i was recently told by a mutual friend that they got so tired of the band hanging around their studio that they recently fired them and kicked them out. dunno if it's true, but it's a funny story. truth is they've done lotsa work for a whole buttload of other clients, but the pj stuff has sorta ruined their 'indie cred' on the hipster circuit, ya know? whatya do? the guy's yer damn brother, and he's helped you get some real dough, and at the same time gets you so pigeonholed that everybody makes fun of you. good luck, ames!

2002-08-03 16:49:04

kozik :

strange. I saw a big story on em a couple years back in Spin or RS I think. I was under the i,pression they only did PJ stuff. hmmmmmmmmmm...velly interesting.

2002-08-03 16:19:24

El Negro Magnifico! :

What harsh reality, eh? Truly sad.

2002-08-03 16:05:53

art chantry :

hsrry - pearl jam has great posters (even if they don't deserve them) because they hire amesbros to do them, and they're very good. the sad thing is that nobody else will hire them. that's because seattle really really sux. and nobody outside of a few designer snobs and the people of gigposters know them from adam. you see, quality has nothing to do with commercial success. honest.

2002-08-03 15:58:57

Steve H :

great poster,again the frustration that its pearl jam,why do they get such great posters ALL THE TIME,its not fair,they don't deserve them. ;-)

2002-08-03 11:12:14

kolfacekilla :

another split fountain that works for me. i picked two ames since i'm familiar with these guys. and still love their stuff, no matter what anyone says. up there with the best of them, in my book.

2002-06-13 16:19:38

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