Well, Alex, you need to use computer type on your next poster. Then everyone can tell you what an a-hole you are for not doing it by hand. They will call you a sell out for getting all "high tech" and using a computer.
Fucking sell out.
The next person to agree with me is going to be sorry. Very sorry.
I will have my Dragon eat thier lungs.
Although, now that agreeing with me is the cool thing to do I suggest we find a way to out that on a poster. 6 months from 2 out 3 new posters will have agreeing with me ALL over them. It appears I am the new orange, tan, pink, bird, octopus. Only in an ironic sense though. Not for real.
Only use skulls if they dont fit the band though. And never hand draw them. Only old clip art skulls are appropriate.
I would also consider hand drawing the type so it looks like intestines. . Actually strike that. Too creative. You should only ever use a letterpress for your type. If it doesn't look like wood block type the poster is cliche' and lame.
The gauntlet has been thrown down!
Birds, octopus, decapitated horses, clouds and lightning bolts, in brown, tan, orange and pink. That is the next Shut-Ups poster. Probably not a screen print, since I have a one color press, but I will rock it out.
Anyone else want to contribute to this franken-flyer?
This is much better than flyer-starter.
You should make all of your poster brown, tan, orange and pink. Sometimes add green. Use birds, octopus, decapitated horses, clouds and lightning bolts as often as possible. Do so with zero regard for what band it is for.
You will be at the top of this scene in no time at all.
Well, to play devil's advocate, bands are, in themselves, pretty boring subject matter. Seems like everyone looked much cooler back in the 60s when an artist picture was de rigeur. We've been lucky to have good photography done for us, but as you can see, i've used pretty much all the good shots. Some a few times over...though usually that's an Athens vs. Atlanta thing...I can get away with using an image once in each town. Looks less good all on one webpage on GP! ;-)
So, maybe I need to investigate skulls, bunnies and trees more carefully.
"So I have nothing against handdone lettering if it's done well, but I don't often see it done successfully on GP. Mind you, I have been both a designer and musician for over 13 years, and my attitude about lettering on a poster is that it should be easily readable for the casual passerby as well as those who stop to admire it. This, I gather, is not a popular attitude on GP."
Not popular at all. Heaven forbid the type be readable and the style and image match the band in some way.
The Shut-Ups logo is supposed to look like it is printed on a paper sign he has taped to his keyboard that originally read "This machine kills folk singers." I don't think i captured the perspective properly, and that's why it seems crappily distorted, Meeloo. Back to 2D for me!
typographists are drawing fonts... sometimes they are working for years just to draw one single lettre... and i think that they would not appreciate to see their work distorted like this... i mean, if you want to trash it, do it for really.... does it make sense ?
what about the screamers?
i can't hold a writing utensil and make it do what i want to save my life. when i could, i used to hand do type a lot. now, i have to rely on other methods. because i'll spend hours working on it ( because i LIKE GOOD hand lettering ) and in the end, it will fail because it doesn't look good. and that bubble type stuff is played out already, in my opinion. probably makes my stuff 'boring' too.
but like i said, people in sudan are starving.
"ill have to check with some people. but im pretty sure playing keyboards is NOT punk."
What about Suicide or Modern Lovers? But yes, we veer more towards 70s new wavey punk than later hardcore. Kids diggit. But I still want to throw in a cover of "Sailin' On" by the Bad Brains, just to torment the power pop fascists.
"Where does one get a sequined robe like that? Did this guy murder Rick Wakeman?"
BTW, it's a silk robe with a grid like pattern that was overemphasized by the high contrast. We wear silk onstage...it's quite comfortable. Is Rick ok?
(man, this thread is like an itchy scab! I think I must be lonely).
Ironically, and backing up Seripop's point, the same day this thread started, someone offered to buy one of my posters that DIDN'T have this color scheme. Course, it was a Von Bondies opening slot we played... could it be...naw.
Meeloo and Unitus both have good points, and again I have an urge to clarify. I used to be a teacher, so I think it's ingrained.
I DID distress the rest of this image, so distressed fonts/lettering would look natural here. I didn't do that because I wanted a contrast. I think that's the stiffness the meeloo is seeing, and it is a valid point. The question is, is it effective stiffness (no viagra jokes here...wait...doh!), or does it work against the overall design of the poster.
Another argument against distressed for this one is that I was going to screenprint it, and i am not yet sure on screen burn times, thus I am leery of any font that has small lines. I am taking a crack at burning a screen with a 35 lpi photo today, and we'll see how it goes.
Thanks, guys, I do feel better from getting advice. Sorry if it sounded like I was downplaying it or dissing an entire movement of art.
quit giving yourself so many restrictions
i think that's the main prob
the poster doesn't look like it's for anything INTERESTING
it looks corporate and stiff---
i'm sure that's not the impression you wanna give of your band
i really don't know WHAT advice to give other than try to loosen up and have some fun
i mean you're a local band
live a bit
while branding on posters might seem like a good idea, one the same demographic sees them over and over with the same elements and often same colors they might just asume the show has already past by confusing the current poster with a similar earlier one.
if you are going for an ealy punk/new wave look maybe you SHOULD run stuff thru a copier and roughe some edges
maybe do your cropping with scissors and then scan it in so it looks authentic?
anyways just my opinion
your comments really rubbed me the wrong way and obviously i'm not the target audience of this band
fuzz, some advice was given in the very first comment, where you then referred to the advice given as a "cop out".
if you look at what you have here, a trashy or distressed type woul work better with the image you have (that is trashy and distressed). it would make all of the elements work together.
i got no problem with using the same typeface/colors to establish a "look" for your band. that's marketing.
seripop, you are well regarded on this forum for great designs. I am not interested in fighting with you. I'd be very interested to hear some constructive criticism about my work. In what way is it boring? The repetitiveness of the imagery, i.e. the same damn faces in every poster? The re-use of the font?
Seriously, I'd rather get ideas and advice then flames. If there's a way to make these posters better within the restrictions I've given myself, I'd deeply appreciate hearing it.
Phil: I type fast.
Besides, I didn't expect a blitzkrieg of flames for this poster. Though I guess I should've known that it was verbooten to mention that I wasn't a huge fan of hand lettering. Evidently my badthink also invalidates my designs and the ideas behind them.
You know that one band, the Beatles? How they had a logo with a typeface that was recognizable? Isn't this just a basic design concept for identity design?
Perhaps I should note, to make myself a target even further, that I am also the label owner, the website designer and the rhythm guitarist. So the only posters I do these days are for this one band. There is a deliberate attempt to establish a visual identity for the group, drawing from late 70s/early 80s punk and new wave design styles.
Heaven forfend that someone dare to agree with me on this.
So much controversy! I feel special.
Perhaps I should clarify some of my comments so I am not "this guy" forever on GP.
1. I have seen fantastic hand-done lettering. I have seen fantastic computer typeset lettering. I have seen the opposite of each in greater numbers. The fact is that good handdone lettering is extremely difficult, and when you fail to do it right, despite the six hours it took, it doesn't look right. There are even more posters on GP where someone slapped their favorite font on there (plus some lightning, dude!) and hit print. These people make it very hard for digital designers to get respect, especially in an environment like this.
So I have nothing against handdone lettering if it's done well, but I don't often see it done successfully on GP. Mind you, I have been both a designer and musician for over 13 years, and my attitude about lettering on a poster is that it should be easily readable for the casual passerby as well as those who stop to admire it. This, I gather, is not a popular attitude on GP.
I didn't, btw, say it's crap. I do think that some people resort to it because it "automatically" makes it arty. Reading feedback on GP, I see this attitude encouraged. I'd like to see a discourse (and perhaps there's already been one) about how to do hand lettering RIGHT, by one of the pros.
2. This poster was originally designed to be a 2 color silkscreen? Stiff? Perhaps. I was being very cautious about font size, knowing what I could get away with on a screen. I was inspired to get into silkscreening by GP, and now I am getting flak from these same people.
3. "this guy also managed to use the same font for "shut ups" in all of his posters." Wow! I never noticed, except for the fact that "this guy" uses "this font" and "these colors" with pictures of "this band leader" for BRANDING PURPOSES. It is a visual motif that we are setting. I'd love to be able to make some fey picture with trees or teddy bears and slap my latest wacky font discovery on there, with a few colors that appeal to me that week. But I design these posters within very specific limitations...kind of like people who do hand-done lettering. I ALSO like to explore a few "cliches" visually and see what I can get out of them in a new context. It is not easy, and not always successful. But it is far more challenging than having absolute freedom to do anything I want on every poster. I'd like to hear about examples of other designers/artists working with imposed limitations, and the issues they had to overcome.
3. I know I can never please the art school/artist folks who have worked hard to develop skills in the "analog" world. Nor will I ever get their respect, because I don't draw. In fact, I have neither art training nor computer design training. I learnt it all myself because I WANTED TO DO IT. Sort of like in the 80s when we learned three chords so we could play in punk bands. Don't make me suspect there's some kind of "establishment" here that excludes people based solely on their medium choice. That would be a shame.
4. My next poster will have lightning bolts.
I find a lot of hand lettering to be sloppy . I do feel that old school rub on type looks cool. Cut and paste lettering looks cool as well. I like using computer type. It is convenient and if it is done in a way to fit into the overall design it is a fitting solution. Not trying to argue, just stating my opinion.
The computer is just a tool. If you learn to use it propery, like any other tool, your results should be just fine.
mike is right
hand lettering isn't ALWAYS the answer but to say it looks like crap is shitting on the entire history of graphic desing
and i gotta say it's pretty darn rare that computer text looks BETTER than properly done hand lettering or photo type setting could look
Hand lettering is the answer to everything. Even that whole thing in the "mid-east." If they'd just look to the hand lettering all would be fine.
Without computers there would be no "GRAPHIXX." That is one thing we all know for sure.
If we could not push the "design" button on our keyboards we'd be lost.
Yeah, with your " I have a harder standard to tackle with computer typesetting" comment makes me want to say you need to work a bit on that type.
But, no one likes talking about type anyway. And the guy on the poster is super cute, so who cares.
Is he wearing a robe?
I hope so.
Thanks for the compliments about the layout. I have never been a big fan of distressed or handdone fonts, actually. Seems like it's a bit of a cop-out design wise...i.e. "this looks crappy because it's supposed to, so I don't have to be held to a standard." Which, of course, means I have a harder standard to tackle with computer typesetting, but I'm used to that.