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DESIGNER:
Jim Altieri 
VENUE:
Historic Blue Star
Lancaster
PA
USA
 
SUBMITTED BY:
Jim Altieri
2001-07-31 09:51:00
 
BANDS:
Nashville Pussy
Gaunt
Pits, The



Nashville Pussy Poster - Historic Blue Star, Lancaster - Jim Altieri



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john_e_warnerSend john_e_warner a message :   i still love this   2005-10-21 12:47:49
altieriSend altieri a message :   ...like the corners of our minds.   2004-06-25 18:36:22
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   memories   2004-06-25 18:07:38
PlantweedSend Plantweed a message :   One of the great threads on GP.   2003-09-08 13:39:23
altieriSend altieri a message :   She is right you know. Ahhhhh, the memories. :mrgreen:   2003-06-23 14:15:15
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   my fav quote of the whole thread... ps. jim is more than a borderline "tard" i forgot about this!!
"his stuff is the worst shit. bad concepts, shitty drawings, worse type and this one seems pretty racist ta boot. is this guy like borderline tard or something? cuz that's the speculation among the spring chickens of gp........"
  2003-06-23 13:51:15
PlantweedSend Plantweed a message :   Wow, how appropriate this popped up today. Nice exchange between Frank and Art re: copycats.   2003-06-23 13:32:27
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   I now own this highly controversial piece of work. Al is in a happy place, y'all!   2002-11-27 23:34:24
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I like posters with a lot of social commentary.   2002-10-15 16:04:45
JGexSend JGex a message :   Wow Richie, you must be reading my mind.   2002-10-15 16:02:06
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   This is the destination I was speaking of...
If you haven't got anything nice to say then don't say anything at all.
  2002-10-15 15:50:59
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   that's because american corporate pirates have been robbing canada blind for generations. you should see what we pay for their copper ore - hell, they're practically paying us to take it. and it's the best in the world, too.
tip of an economic iceberg, lotsa ships are sinking out there because we be piggies.
  2002-08-08 07:59:29
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   oh, that is true. and when i was in toronto, when L7 played for 8 bux, it was like 5 bux american. canadian dollar aint the strongest.   2002-08-08 07:51:25
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   I forgot about our lame-ass 10% "amusement tax" that drives many a performer away.   2002-08-07 20:03:17
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   :-p   2002-08-07 17:03:27
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   :oops: Sorry, dude! :lol:   2002-08-07 17:02:24
Platinum RichSend Platinum Rich a message :   el negro, i think you mean plastk.   2002-08-07 17:01:44
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   Rich...God is the ULTIMATE muhfucker. Everyone else is pretending.   2002-08-07 16:57:05
seripopSend seripop a message :   yeah we get more than the rest of the country but i always end up drivving to boston or nyc to see bands I REALLY LOVE. i hate canada. or at least our customs officials who keep bands out.   2002-08-07 16:44:15
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   is god a mutherfucker...and is he/she actually 'a live' ?
just wondering?
:-p
  2002-08-07 16:43:52
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   Chloe, Thank yer lucky stars yer not in Winnipeg! We get next to nothing out here, and it drives me CRAZY! I'm STILL kicking myself for missing The Gossip. Most bands seem do the usual thing: Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver. Then maybe throw Calgary a bone or two. At least that's how it seems to me. I'd kill for some of the shows you guys get! The day the Blues Explosion decides to play here again(they did in '92, before I was a fan), there ain't a muhfucker alive that'll keep me from that show.
Except God.
  2002-08-07 16:41:37
seripopSend seripop a message :   really? my attitude is thank god they said "ok" no matter how begrudginly cause i figure they WILL get a good reaction from my stuff and LEARN to appriciate it. or that's what we are hopin'   2002-08-07 16:06:53
Platinum RichSend Platinum Rich a message :   my attitude has been "fuck 'em" if they don't want free work. but that leaves me with no posters which sucks. nothing's worse than doing work and giving it to someone who doesn't give a shit or see the value in it.   2002-08-07 16:04:05
seripopSend seripop a message :   we ARE finding places to do stuff for but it's ALOT of work convincing the promoters to take our FREE posters. muy weird. att least we are doing a poster for suicide. that's cool.   2002-08-07 15:45:10
Platinum RichSend Platinum Rich a message :   exactly. and there's not much space to hang shit. trust me, it blows here. that's why i've moved away three times. but for some reason i keep coming back. but yeah, people here have their defenses up 24/7.   2002-08-07 15:37:11
seripopSend seripop a message :   rich that's what i was warned... most places in canada are the same way.. like in smaller cities they get REALLY suspicious don't understand at ALL why you'd wanna do something. they never even HEARD of poster art at alot of places we called..   2002-08-07 15:32:58
spaceladySend spacelady a message :   there are tons of venues in canada. just wow them with your art.   2002-08-07 15:28:29
kozikSend kozik a message :   the apt is a grand the studio is 2   2002-08-07 15:27:47
Platinum RichSend Platinum Rich a message :   this place (boston) is tough. it's all conservative and uptight. i'm having trouble getting work here. everyone thinks it's some kind of scam when you say you wanna do posters.   2002-08-07 15:26:45
seripopSend seripop a message :   i'm trying to get in boston but customs on on my ass for all the shipping i do to the states.. i guess if i could get enuff i'd just go there to bring em, it's only 4 hours away..   2002-08-07 15:21:00
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   That apartment is 3 grand a month? Jesus Christ, Frank! Or is that rent for studio and apartment?   2002-08-07 15:20:42
seripopSend seripop a message :   an average , decent house downtown goes for about 80-130 gs here and at our place my share of the rent is 250.. that's to live in a pretty decent place right off the water. 2000 square feet. i could crank out what those in house dudes do in like an hour a week. then do my own shit.   2002-08-07 15:17:46
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Find gigs outside of Canada. It's really not very difficult. I'm a total lazy loser and I am getting tons of work. Use your connections on this site. Ask nicely and watch how many people will extend a hand to you.   2002-08-07 15:15:51
kozikSend kozik a message :   fuck i should move there.
I could like live well. man my rent here is like 35 grand a year us.
  2002-08-07 15:14:36
seripopSend seripop a message :   well 30 gs is about normal working class or start up salary. most of the inhouse guys aren't very ambitious, NONE of them sell thier stuff, it's all split fountaint one pull prints on cheap paper with "art" they spent 20 minutes on..   2002-08-07 15:12:20
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   30gs! Canadain money?!? Must be pretty sweet up there!   2002-08-07 15:07:54
seripopSend seripop a message :   i guess it's a diffent situation in canada- very FEW bands tour here, the same promotions company books cross country and are VERY clannish. most of the bands i like never come here, at least not the smaller ones. and when the big ones do there is no chance in hell cause the main promotions places and clubs are have 4th rate inhose guys luckily we are becoming in house guys our selves, it's REALLY cut throat and kinda sucks but u gotta do what you gotta do. is sucks ass cause almost NONE of the bands i like EVER play here, unless they are canadian. they old guys gaurd thier turff with their lives. i'm not joking, they go around and rip down our posters and threaten us on msg boards. they don't give a fucjk about the music, just the 30 gs a year they get for turning on thier 'puters.   2002-08-07 14:58:41
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   dain bramage.   2002-08-07 12:26:46
kozikSend kozik a message :   I want to hear about your SUCCESSES
like the process behind the cool shit...
  2002-08-07 12:25:44
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   Thats scenarios...   2002-08-07 12:25:24
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   we love your history art...its very valuable...I was just pointing out other turf scenaris (Austin's ...the city not the boy)that exist.   2002-08-07 12:24:49
kozikSend kozik a message :   He had some juicy tits in that one.
ART-I know dude. but thats over.
  2002-08-07 12:24:46
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   frank - i wasn't bitching. i was sharing the story of a strange place in a galaxy far away. it had a lot to do with the conversation. i wanted to point out that 'turf' is a very complicated concept, especially if it involves survival. that's about all. if i can't share my history on this site, i ain't got much to say.   2002-08-07 12:22:39
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   That movie where he played a tard was great! What was that one called? Titanic?   2002-08-07 12:21:06
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   Art- I hate when that happens. Where do the lost messages go? :-(   2002-08-07 12:20:39
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   damn, i just wrote this beautiful ramble that explained everything in the universe, and the computer seems to have cut it off after one sentence. well, it's your loss. bummer. now to go conquer the world with 'a vengence'
frank, i was thinking dicaprio - he makes a great tard.
  2002-08-07 12:19:44
JGexSend JGex a message :   :lol: you're not unprofessional, just ornery like the rest of us!   2002-08-07 12:19:23
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Acting like a complete ass but still workin in a professional manner has never failed me.   2002-08-07 12:19:13
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   dang, that's my problem! i've always considered myself a thourogh 'unprofessional   2002-08-07 12:17:23
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   The style I perculate you have never even attempted, sucka. Youre played out, old school. Draw up your eulogy... Lavoris 'Wrong-way' Jenkins...   2002-08-07 12:17:03
kozikSend kozik a message :   dude the style you are copping I no longer even do.
catch up suckah.
LaVoris 'Tenspeed' Washington
  2002-08-07 12:15:08
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   Lavoris, Im running YOU and your played out style. Now get back to that art table and make me my money, girl! :-x   2002-08-07 12:13:14
kozikSend kozik a message :   only thing your running is your mouth, Bayou.   2002-08-07 12:12:05
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   Youre all crazy.
Im running things now.
  2002-08-07 12:09:21
JGexSend JGex a message :   "I know in our case we were ALOT easier than some past Austin artist (JAustin in particular) for some clubs to deal with. We were not drunk, we bathed, we did work on time, we had a phone, and we did not bring an ass load of ego and attitude that brought the aformentioned issues as baggage. People will change artists if you give them any reason to. That is where relationships, quality, and responsiblility - along with hard work - will bring opportunities away from those who are slipping up. It happens.If you are not professional and friendly you can't expect someone to keep you as an artist for the sake of keeping you as an artist...its just not smart business in any field."
Acting like a professional is the key... you are correct, Plastk.
  2002-08-07 12:03:55
kozikSend kozik a message :   well then quit bithcin about Seattle. That movies over.
popcorns all stale.
I want to see CHANTRY II: DAY OF VENGEANCE
whens it coming out?
Is it true that Keanu Reeves is gonna play you?
  2002-08-07 12:03:33
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   frank -
whatever i do now is gravy. i was talking about a particularly ugly part of my past. if i want a press, i'll set one up. but i don't want to - i burned out on printing my own stuff back in the 70's. and yeah, i'm working angles right now to do cool work - incuding posters for clubs. so, i'm not dead, pal. i'm just having to start over. finances are tight (so's everybody), so i get kinda snitty about being broke, but that'll change - it always does.
so, quit trying to kick-start me, frank. i've been doing this along long time, and i intend to do it until i drop. made up my mind to do that before you were probably born.
understand?
  2002-08-07 12:02:02
kozikSend kozik a message :   I bet that if you called drowning Creek right now theyd shit for joy to like publisk you for ever.
you do the designs
they fund the prints
they sell them ot you do you split the proceeds.
fuck...
your shit SELLS on ebay.
get crackin. turn off Buffy.
  2002-08-07 11:57:43
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   frank -
actually that's not what i'm saying. if i got pissy everytime someone copied my style, well, it's be kinda stupid, wouldn't it. i'm talking about a level of competition for a very small piece of pie. the competition was with me (because i set the standard) and everybody wanted to do cool posters, too. so, who do you compete with? with the guy in front, of course. it's the nature of the beast.
what i drove me out of seattle was simply an inability to compete with a what had become a ltage mob of designers, cartoonists, hipsters who went after any client i touched and tried to take it away. the seattle market was so spoiled by the competition for their 'wares' that they benefitted heavily, and i (as the guy who's look was the one to follow) became trompled by a ton of feverish copycats. and my complaint that many didn't use a lot of integrity is totally fair, many were shitty human beings out for a quick buck and instant fame and notoriety. and they succeeded quite nicely. all the guys like me in seattle had to leave. all the scumbags rose to the top and made a buttload. that's what made america great, ok?
doesn't mean i like it or want to live that way ever again. i have my limits and i'm damn tired of fighting for survival. that's all, frank.
  2002-08-07 11:55:58
kozikSend kozik a message :   I mean, fuck man. your a goddamn legend. if you got on the horn I bet like you could get 50 gigs in a week.
fuck tombstones. set up a press.
kick some ass.
  2002-08-07 11:54:22
kozikSend kozik a message :   sorry man. like it did not take a lot of effort to set up a press and do all of that. I was motivated. It was fun and exciting. I mean it was pretty obvious how I did it. you could do the same thing right now. Shit dude, I was always jealous of all your estrus stuff. do I like complain about it? no.
I love it.
I guess that being from like a 'blue collar' background I was not scared to like start up on my own.
I mean, no one needs our posters at all. It's up to YOU to like pimp your shit.
Thats like the basic idea about
'freelancing'.
dude your a mercenary.
  2002-08-07 11:48:59
kozikSend kozik a message :   I mean if I got pissy every time someone 'copied' my 'style   2002-08-07 11:45:47
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   frank -
i did, constantly. how do you think all those clubs starting doing posters in the first place? clubs in other cities wouldn't pay for printing or shipping and wanted them for free (like you do), so they all said 'no'. they all wanted kozik or coop anyway. they never heard of me.
in seattle, the clubs were all spoiled and the promoteres always got everything for free (again, because they knew they could get them free from KOZIK, why should they pay me?) and it was always a hassle getting affordable printing (thank god for brian at BLT. he single-handedly supported everybody it seems). so, the club wouldn't pay for the design, and only begrudgingly paid for printing. that's why most of my posters are two-color - that's what i could afford.
and the promoters had a line at the door of young hipsters wanting to do posters for their favorite bands. i seldom did posters for the big cool shows, because other guys would be so eager to do the poster they would do anything to do it - i even knew guys who paid the promoter to let them do the whole poster for free. or, they would contact a big time dude like kozik to do it (or somebody else). it was really nasty. and it's what i was stuck with. unfair competitors just made it worse.
  2002-08-07 11:45:22
jasoncrossSend jasoncross a message :   I know in our case we were ALOT easier than some past Austin artist (JAustin in particular) for some clubs to deal with. We were not drunk, we bathed, we did work on time, we had a phone, and we did not bring an ass load of ego and attitude that brought the aformentioned issues as baggage. People will change artists if you give them any reason to. That is where relationships, quality, and responsiblility - along with hard work - will bring opportunities away from those who are slipping up. It happens.If you are not professional and friendly you can't expect someone to keep you as an artist for the sake of keeping you as an artist...its just not smart business in any field.   2002-08-07 11:44:02
kozikSend kozik a message :   well... about 1 million mofo stepped on my toes. who cares? it's up to me too keep forging ahead.   2002-08-07 11:42:52
JGexSend JGex a message :   Hey Art,
I guess I should have clarified that a bit... I agree that the way you have experienced that is a bit unethical and must have been extremely frustrating. I suppose it's almost the same thing, but I have the 2 separated in my mind as corporate paying jobs being slightly different than doing the freebie club fliers.... maybe I shouldn't be looking at them as different... hmmmm....
What I meant for that to out like was this: If you can't get a gig at a local venue to do posters, start looking regionally or nationally... there are lots of clubs who would like posters/fliers done for them and surely anyone who's willing to do the groundwork can find a place to do posters for without stepping on anybody else's toes.
  2002-08-07 11:40:48
kozikSend kozik a message :   what kept you from like picking up the phone and calling some club or promoter or band and syaing I want to do shit for you?   2002-08-07 11:36:50
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   maybe YOU were, frank, but i wasn't. i lived in seattle, an overpopluated island menatlity and had to survive only on what i could find locally. you've always gone outside because you had a great established system for doing so, even your own printing. it's an extremely different experience for you, and to dismiss what i said on that basis is kinda kneejerk and not very insightful, even lame. to say i could have gotten work anywhere is just not true. i tried - ny, la, sf, everywhere - repeatedly and constantly. i was a real aggressive go-getter. i lived in seattle and i depended on my local community for support. but it was EXTREMELY competetive, and those who rose to the top competed the most effectively, not necessarily the most honestly.
undersatnd? i'm sure it happens everywhere, but it was very nasty up there for me. it really killed me.
  2002-08-07 11:35:36
kozikSend kozik a message :   turf? uh..we are all free to work worldwide.   2002-08-07 11:29:03
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   pm -
i'd like to weigh in on the 'turf' thing. i know that on these threads it's looked like i was whining about 'turf' battles and all, but i'd like to explain what i meant. i really do think there is a line that gets crossed when a 'competitor' literealy imitates your style and goes after your established clientele. i had this happen many many times from several fronts when i was in seattle, and it really killed my income - one outfit went after my clientele exclusively and wrestled away over 75% of my work. others, imitated whatever poster i put out so closely, that i got accused of copying his style by my own clients. this sort of thing happened to me time and time again, and it was my 'friends' and 'students' and 'co-workers' doing it to me, people i had befriended and even trained. i had to stay one-step ahead, because i knew a client was only good for about three projects and then a competitor would take away the client. i was so broke during most of time in seattle that it wound up being the biggest reason i had to move to st. louis. i literally was put out of business by my own little frankenstein monsters and forced out of the market. for the last 2 or 3 years up there i got no work at all from seattle. it was extremely tough, because i got very little work from outside seattle.
so, i'd like to point out that there is such a thing as unfair business practices and that i've seen it up close and first hand in seattle. i'm also not saying i was the only one who suffered this same problem - talk to hank trotter or frank zepponi. but i will say (with a touch of pride) that i was the biggest target. i guess i was doing SOMETHING right up there.
  2002-08-07 11:25:25
stinkbaitSend stinkbait a message :   Can't leave this sitting on 69 comments, too ironic.
www.pollstar.com
tells you a lot about what is going on.
  2002-08-07 10:49:08
JGexSend JGex a message :   "I don't beleive in "turf" and anyone can do posters for shows anywhere. All I think is they should be working with one of the entities responsible for the show."
Hear, here! With as many shows as there are at any given time, no one should be at a loss for shows to do posters for. Buy a musicians resource guide and start sending samples to clubs. Make some phone calls. Visit them in person. Do anything but whine about why you can't get the gigs. The gigs are out there.
The word "you" is meant in the plural sense and not directed at any one in particular.
Captains, no beef with you guys. :-)
  2002-08-07 10:43:26
hypoSend hypo a message :   by entities, you mean the promoter and the band..right? Or just the promoter/club?   2002-08-07 10:38:31
stinkbaitSend stinkbait a message :   Here in Austin there are quite a few designers. Either I'm oblivious or there truly is no spiteful hard feelings or even competition for gigs. We all coexist just fine and we personally have no desire to put anyone out of a job. There's small money being made if any at all on this stuff. I don't beleive in "turf" and anyone can do posters for shows anywhere. All I think is they should be working with one of the entities responsible for the show.   2002-08-07 10:35:30
Timothy J.Send Timothy J. a message :   All of the well-known artists in this field seem to have worked hard for it. All of the really well known ones like Kozik or Emek to Kleinsmith and Jermaine all seem to continually stay busy even after theyve got their attention. Some artists are always turning out work but never complaining. Thats probably the secret. :-D   2002-08-07 10:34:17
philaarts.comSend philaarts.com a message :   first off jim is a nice guy, smart and not a racist.
also, captns and i have talked. the door has always been open.
i do not OWN the clubs. im not the street team. its odd. i have tons of artists all around the country contact me. if the GIG IS OPEN. its theirs. if you think that you are taking work from captns, GIVE THEM YOUR GIG AND DONT ASK TO DO SHOWS.
they are nice guys. the deal to give the club x amount of posters applies to them as it does to everyone else. i dont make the rules. the CLUBS are HAPPY, the artists who do the gigs either dig it or not. noone is forced. i have no problem if factor 27 or ewing or mike fisher etc does a poster. they ask, its theirs...
i have been open to ALL artists around the country. i dont make policy. and for ALOT of cities, its the same, give the club x amount of posters if you want to do the gig. they promote give to the band etc.. normal practices.
the same thing happens in los angeles and many other cities. and artists have proved you dont have to live in a city to do a poster.
jim altieri has never clogged up any shows, and does it just for fun. he just them to go to the show for free. no harm no foul.
anyway. im not going to fight about this. life is too short. noone forces anyone to do anything.
  2002-08-07 10:26:13
stinkbaitSend stinkbait a message :   "Kevin, no one DESERVES anything. This whole idea that you have about that doesn't fly in the real world. You get the work by working hard and paying dues.... by making connections and being someone whom other people want to work with, not just because you did a couple of nice posters.
Nothing gets handed to anyone on a silver platter. If you think that's how some of us got the "breaks" we did, you are dead wrong."
This is 100% dead on. We have been bustin' our ass and going after promotors and clubs and bands for almost a year now and it's finally starting to pay off. We do good work we are on time and we have very clear communication to our clients. The last two have more to do with our success than being good. We can be the next Warhol or Kozik or whoever but if we sit on our ass and do two posters a year vs almost 100 which we are about hit nobody is going to know we exist.
When you are unknown you have to do the leg work. Nobody is going to just hand you the job because you have a couple of cool posters. You can be awesome but that doesn't mean you deserve anything.
  2002-08-07 10:21:26
Dusty!Send Dusty! a message :   Everyone needs to take it down a notch. Whether you like this guys work or not, I dont see what it has to do with The Captains of Industry. He isnt taking work away from us at all. Though possibly in the past we have questioned the practices of what goes on in philly, we realize now that the circumstances that we operate in are very unique. As far as philly shows go, if we wanted them we could get them, but as of yet we havent been in the financial situation to go for the bigger shows, especially since we can do smaller shows and be gaurenteed to make our money and a little profit. We are working closely now with the local guys (ie. the big bad philaarts) to get some bigger shows.
this is all
  2002-08-07 10:12:28
MNTLBLCSend MNTLBLC a message :   Likewise, I don't want people telling me I can't offend christians if I want to, so it doesn't seem right to claim Jim can't use this if he so chooses. I only question if this is truly how he wants to be represented.   2002-08-07 10:09:34
hypoSend hypo a message :   Judging by all the posts about this poster, it obviously did what a gig poster is designed to do. End of story. Anything else is reserved for poster collectors (all 1500 of them) and the rest of planet Earth really doesn't care.   2002-08-07 10:08:04
MNTLBLCSend MNTLBLC a message :   You're very right. That's what I mean - I'm very much against organized religion and do offensive iconography for the purpose of offending. I'm also not saying he shouldn't have done this, as it's really none of my business. I'm only saying if it were me, I wouldn't have chosen offensive imagery unless my intent was to offend the people the imagery was originally created to offend.   2002-08-07 10:05:40
goochSend gooch a message :   Hmm. It seems to me that the artist attempted to make the "pickininny" look somewhat like a white guy. There's definite additions (white hands, marks on face) that seem like a conscious attempt *not* to completely bring on the wrath of African Americans everywhere. If this is true then this poster is even more of a piss-take and even more of a watered-down attempt at "shock". Lame.
  2002-08-07 10:03:45
JGexSend JGex a message :   Ralph, you know you and I do the same sort of thing with the religious iconography. We're not exactly politically correct ourselves....
;-)
  2002-08-07 10:00:56
uncle charlieSend uncle charlie a message :   Another Classic from Jimbo.. cool..   2002-08-07 09:57:38
MNTLBLCSend MNTLBLC a message :   Admittedly, they probably won't see this poster.   2002-08-07 09:54:19
MNTLBLCSend MNTLBLC a message :   I can't say if it's right or wrong, because at the end of the day, it's still just my opinion, but personally I do offensive material when I want to offend someone and steer clear from it when I don't. I have no problem believing this wasn't done maliciously, but I also know people who would be offended, not simply because they're black, but because they're old folks who were around when this was done as a joke at someone's expense.   2002-08-07 09:53:33
seripopSend seripop a message :   and ralph is dead on.   2002-08-07 09:49:35
JGexSend JGex a message :   Kevin, have you always been a whiner?   2002-08-07 09:48:09
seripopSend seripop a message :   it's sad that what pm says is true. i'm finding out the harsh way it has very littlke to do with talent or producing hight quality work and ALOT to do with having been around for ever. but the old promoters are being pushed out by the young ones who hire us soooooo. in a few years...   2002-08-07 09:48:07
drowningcreekSend drowningcreek a message :   seripop. You are learning an importnat lesson....It's not what you know, it's who you know.
Kevin, you're still annoying.
You two need to get together and do some work.
  2002-08-07 09:46:13
kevin jonesSend kevin jones a message :   i just meant that their talents merit more work.   2002-08-07 09:46:09
JGexSend JGex a message :   Kevin, no one DESERVES anything. This whole idea that you have about that doesn't fly in the real world. You get the work by working hard and paying dues.... by making connections and being someone whom other people want to work with, not just because you did a couple of nice posters.
Nothing gets handed to anyone on a silver platter. If you think that's how some of us got the "breaks" we did, you are dead wrong.
  2002-08-07 09:44:31
MNTLBLCSend MNTLBLC a message :   You know, the same punch line could have been conveyed without the pickaninny. You could draw some disheveled guy with his hair on fire and soot on his face without touching the whole blackface thing.   2002-08-07 09:44:24
seripopSend seripop a message :   well i wish em luck cause here is mtl yannick and are up against some 40 year old guy with photo shop, a clip art book and no skills at all. but as the promoters said "i went to hight school with him and he's been doing my posters for 25 years blah blah blah he's my pal "   2002-08-07 09:37:30
kevin jonesSend kevin jones a message :   the captains certainly do deserve the work.
and that is all im going to say on the subject.
  2002-08-07 09:34:02
seripopSend seripop a message :   no i get the "joke" i still think it's in poor taste thought. i also think the art stinks AND that's it's a HUGE shame that in the same city, the captains of industry, 2 of the best of the young crop, are desperatly trying to get more work and THIS guy gets it. as for me not having a sense of humour, check out our last poster (http://www.gigposters.com/posters.php?poster=8342) i have a sense of humour , and i am famailliar with the refrences he's throwing i just don't think he's powerfull enuff as an artist to pull it off.   2002-08-07 09:32:36
hypoSend hypo a message :   "The band loved the poster and thought it was hilarious. So who else's opinion matters?"<-exactly
  2002-08-07 09:32:33
drowningcreekSend drowningcreek a message :   Jim's a great guy and does some damn funny poster art. It pushes buttons. It gets reactions. that means he's doing something right.
The band loved the poster and thought it was hilarious. So who else's opinion matters?
Nashville Pussy sticks confederate flags on everything...but they are not racist, far from it, they just know it gets a rise out of the Political Correct types and they are all about pissing off the mainstream. . If you don't get the joke, check your sense of humor. You jumped far too quick on this one.
I'm sick of politcal correct bullshit mentality that has put a chokehold on people making a joke or having to worry what others will think. Chloe, You overanalyzed this poster even before you knew what was actually going on with the concept.
Lighten the hell up. It's punk rock poster.
Team Spring Chicken? What the hell is that?
  2002-08-07 09:13:04
steve wSend steve w a message :   Sorry Mr. Fluoride, I like both as well, but for extremely different reasons. What's wrong with being a fucker, anyway? Do you not like to fuck?   2002-08-07 09:09:49
SpicolliSend Spicolli a message :   This is exactly the kind of stuff I like. I can see why the people that "oh and ahh" over arty pictures of hub caps and kitchen utensils don't like it... but fuck them! This is the kind of stuff the catches my eye. Great poster keep up the good work.   2002-08-07 09:01:44
JGexSend JGex a message :   I wasn't going to bring this back up, but since it's here, I'm going to elaborate on my curt statement last nite.
Chloe, you didn't "get" the joke and you went on a rampage castigating Altieri for everything he does including his art, concept, type and even called him a retard. No wonder you are depressed with all that venom you spew daily.
Going with a gut reaction is not always the right way to go about things. I didn't "get" the concept the first time I looked at this either, but I know Jim and he's a great guy, so I took the time to look at it again instead of immediately jumping on him for an imagined racial infraction.
Team spring chicken indeed. More like team hot head.
  2002-08-07 08:11:58
smileSend smile a message :   what is spring chicken? like a seceret club? seems there is room for everyone to do posters. why should this guy be put out of gigs? cause you dont like it? i dont know but art should be able to push buttons. as for an actual person-alitieri. if you dont know him, we shouldnt pass judgement. seems the people who know him say he is nice.   2002-08-07 07:54:56
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :     2002-08-06 21:32:06
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   Steve, I like Herziks stuff. I also happen to like Jims stuff.
Don't call me fucker.
  2002-08-06 21:28:47
DaveGinkSend DaveGink a message :   Lighten Up!!!   2002-08-06 21:23:31
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   The types crappy, the colors are bad, the drawing isn't all that hot, but I still love it.
Ever consider that the concept is farther back than what you are lookin at?
This poster completely defies academic reasoning. That's why it's so threatening to some peple around here. You can not critique it cause it's all WRONG!
Now when does this thing start to become a powerful force? When someone attempts to critique it, that's when. That's what makes it funny for me. Jim's put out what's wrong with it in plain sight. EVERYTHING.
Punk as fuck.
  2002-08-06 21:22:07
steve wSend steve w a message :   Don't compare this to Herzik, goddammit!!! "...the same way that PEOPLE like Herzik..." If you don't like him, fine. But don't tell me why I do, Fucker.   2002-08-06 21:19:08
JermaineSend Jermaine a message :   My sentiments. I know Jim and hes a great guy, and I know he didnt mean anything racial by this...but Ill admit, when I first saw this months ago, dude, I was about to type a BLAST...then I noticed it more and was like..'Ohhh...okaaaay :-( ' Not an image Id do. TOO close.   2002-08-06 21:16:43
jsheehanSend jsheehan a message :   Don't confuse the art with the artist on this one I guess. Definitely not my cup of tea, but glad he can throw it out there just the same.   2002-08-06 21:13:28
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I like Jims stuff in the same way that people like Herziks stuff. It has a freedom to it that I will never have the guts to attempt. Is he the best illustrator in the world? Nope, but Jim is simply the coolest guy ever. He is funny and actualy really inteligent and well written.
Chloe you should contact him and take the time to get to knoiw him a little. I think your opinion might change a little.
  2002-08-06 21:07:39
kozikSend kozik a message :   I do believe I shall unleash an Auschwitz Blackface cum shot painting on the world.
thanks for the ideas guys!
  2002-08-06 20:55:34
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   ok, ok, so this isn't blackface humor. i get it now.
still wouldn't use it, though.
  2002-08-06 20:45:37
jsheehanSend jsheehan a message :   Oh I get it "pussy" and he's scorched. hahaha? Sometimes outlandish and tacky are fantastic. But its a fine line isn't it?   2002-08-06 20:42:49
art chantrySend art chantry a message :   ya know, blackface humor was all the rage over much of the last century, but today you can't touch it. it's poison. i'd love to work with it, but it's like using the 'n'-word or making racist jokes. the problem is that it still allows people to create an area where it's still ok to ridicule others based on sterotypes that are associated with the most vicious type of repression. to turn it into a joke is simply not yet ok. it's just not funny, even as socio/political sarcasm.
so, as much as i'd love to take the balckface imagery and play with it, make it a joke, even use the iconography of oppression to usurp it's intrinsic power, i have to say i won't do it. it's the one spot i draw the line. i do all kinds of shock value in my work, but that's the one area i will not step because it's still too fresh and painful for a huge portion of our population.
oh, and auschwitz humor isn't funny either. that's the other one i won't touch.
yet.
  2002-08-06 20:41:16
JGexSend JGex a message :   Gawd Seripop, you can be such a snot when it comes to other people's posters.
Get a sense of humor already.
  2002-08-06 19:37:18
benemaSend benema a message :   Yea whatever. :lol: :lol: :lol:   2002-08-06 19:08:37
kozikSend kozik a message :   heh heh.
man the barricades!
  2002-08-06 19:08:10
seripopSend seripop a message :   this guy is NOT a parent of team spring chicken. this is just some guy who's probably pals with a promoter.. i hope captains of industry start getting all the gigs he gets and FAST. similar to the guys i'm putting out of biz inh mtl- no talent just a few friends from "back in the day" whooo i don't feel depressed anymore.   2002-08-06 19:06:21
benemaSend benema a message :   Thanks Mr. Magnifico!! You are so right about the arm. Oh well, the 20 minutes it took to draw this poster was in vain. Where is that Community college you spoke of Seripop?   2002-08-06 19:05:14
El Negro Magnifico!Send El Negro Magnifico! a message :   I'm black and have no real problem with this. Jim knows I haven't always dug his stuff, but some of it actually makes me laugh. I'm not crazy about this one(the left arm of the girl seems out of proportion to me...but that's just me. I have yet to master human anatomy.), but I get the joke. The folks at MGM had the market cornered on violent gags. I love that shit!   2002-08-06 19:00:48
benemaSend benema a message :   No worries here. She doesn't like my stuff. Look how fired up she is. It worked.   2002-08-06 18:59:38
kozikSend kozik a message :   punk class warfare. cool I've lived to see the day.
'all revolutions eat their parents'- trotsky
  2002-08-06 18:58:39
seripopSend seripop a message :   when team spring chicken pulls our coop (get it ?chicken coop?) all 'artists" like this will be on the dole line.   2002-08-06 18:56:27
kozikSend kozik a message :   punk vs punk   2002-08-06 18:54:11
benemaSend benema a message :   :lol: :lol:   2002-08-06 18:52:52
seripopSend seripop a message :   don't flater yrself dude. i only dig guys with brains. i never commented on yr stuff before cuz i figured it was a lost cause. looks like i was right. i hear community colleges everywhere offer design for beginers classes.   2002-08-06 18:52:04
benemaSend benema a message :   I get it, you're in love with me. I knew it. I still have that magic charm. Sorry you hate my stuff and your opinion has been noted. Thank you.   2002-08-06 18:50:09
seripopSend seripop a message :   i just don't see this as being pulled off with any wit or inllegence at all. nevermind artist skil.. sorry but the drawing is weak, the layout is weak. everything about this is just fuckin' weak and shitty.   2002-08-06 18:42:25
benemaSend benema a message :   i was waiting for the attacks with this one. Actually it's a reaction to a being a kid growing up and seeing this stuff all the time. Bugs bunny, Tom & Jerry cartoons all did this and as a kid I though nothing of it. Things are different today. Of course it is wrong and that is what I bring attention to. I did a "PC version for the promoter so he wouldn't get castrated. As far as Seripop, oh well, you can't please them all. I am sure a lot of people hate my stuff. So fuckin what. :lol:   2002-08-06 18:40:07
kozikSend kozik a message :   actually..his shit is like 'way punk' in the original 'kiss my ass' way.   2002-08-06 18:24:47
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I'm just a big fan of really retarded stuff and Jim's cornered the market.
You are my litmus test Chloe...
If you vehemently hate it, then it must be funny. Loosen up.
  2002-08-06 18:23:19
kozikSend kozik a message :   his emails are quite literate. I think he is just trying to piss everyone off for kicks.   2002-08-06 18:21:33
seripopSend seripop a message :   his stuff is the worst shit. bad concepts, shitty drawings, worse type and this one seems pretty racist ta boot. is this guy like borderline tard or something? cuz that's the speculation among the spring chickens of gp........   2002-08-06 18:20:28
kozikSend kozik a message :   well yeah it's pretty pickanninny alright.   2002-08-06 18:18:50
kozikSend kozik a message :   no cunnilingus for straight edge?   2002-08-06 18:18:19
robschwagerSend robschwager a message :   shouldn't he be black then instead of brown?
Think about it......
  2002-08-06 18:18:14
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Jims stuff is the fuckin funniest shit!   2002-08-06 18:17:09
seripopSend seripop a message :   fuck do i ever hate this guy's stuff. :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x   2002-08-06 18:16:32
kozikSend kozik a message :   ok..see her pussy is so scorching that when the dude ate her out the heat ....   2002-08-06 18:15:34
seripopSend seripop a message :   WHAT??????   2002-08-06 18:13:35
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