I love the poster but agree with: " I'm dissapointed that there isn't more of a recogniseable Dave presence. "
It's almost like seripop covered and hid dwitt to give their own style prominance..not a very successful collaboration in my opinion. But Dave likes it..so who the fuck cares what I think.
Nate- nobody really cared about the local opening act, which was Olsen Twin Suicide (fairweather cancelled), cause they're not that great.
The poster created a LOT of interest about the show. The TRock managament told me.
They lost me somewhere in that name change ordeal. I was a huge fan of A.N. Seems I gave up the host myself.
So yeah, like this wouldn't really fit A.N. but it definetly fits what i know about Daughters.
I actually thought about the legibility issue some more and I think I'm starting to agree with Chloe. It's made for a select group of people. I'm part of that group and it really doesn't do anything for me but I realized last night that I'm guilty of the same thing.
About 8 years ago I did a tour poster for Storm&Stress that was simply varnish on white paper. Touch&Go hated it, record stores hated it - everyone but the band and the fans hated it. They loved it. We made tshirts that were white ink on white shirts. The kids loved them.
I think that same thing kinda applies to Seripop stuff. You either get it, which means you think it's genius, or you don't, which means their smug, exclusionary and/or elitist.
Regardless, I don't think anyone will lose any sleep over it.
yea they lost half their fans when emo kids started listening to them and they became the default band name thier make-out club's profile like/dislikes list.so at that i will say i was wrong that this poster DOES fit the current fans of this lineup.
a- i like the poster
b- ide rather sit here and try and read this one that be easily be able to read alot of the stuff on here
c- being that its for Give Up The Ghost, I dont think it fits the band, but if they arent the headliners than i think its cool. Or if give up the ghost sounds nothing like American Nightmare, im wrong.
also, out of all your shit, i think this is one of the most easily readable, and you know i can never read this shit!
thumbs up friends
i have no probs with crits at all.
if you see this poster on the street and it doesn't draw you into reading it then it's probably not made for your eyes.
however, comments on how i probably don't do any of the design work or how we think we are so much cooler than everyboy or that we are "poseurs" (who the hell says that after high schol is what i wanna know?) is not only not a crit having anything to do with the poster but it's compleatly absurd.
yes, we (often) design posters for a certain music scene (noise/art rock). i dont see how reflecting the aestectic of the music could be "fake" or "contrived" in the slightest. the point of a good poster is to convey the vibe of the event to it's intended demographic.
we know our demographic very well because we are a part of it- we do stuff for bands we are fans of, the bands our band plays shows with.
alot of the posters we make we are playing the show, setting it up or djing it.
we are pretty involved in the noise scene in canada and beyound and our intents to make grapchics for the bands we enjoy are sincere.
granted the demographic we work in is often pretty small but that is our personal choice and for the record we are doing just FINE (financially and otherwise) so thanks for the concern.
comments from people like "tornado" or "smackattackyo" or "peeskill avenger" mean nothing.
they are simply alises certain people use to talk shit without soiling thier hands.
the main thing i learned in art school was this: consider the source (of crits).
ANYONE and EVERYONE can have an opinion , it only means something if you respect them either for thier work or for their knowlege/taste in arts.
SO if the artists and people on this site i RESPECT like chantry , meeloo, largemamal , jet-ski ect thik it's good it means alot more than random anonymous shit sligers saying it's bad.
thank you all and GOOD day.
I too wonder about the anonymous. If you belive in what you say, have the balls to stand by it otherwise it loses a good deal of impact.
I originally was going to avoid commenting on this poster becasue I had a hunch somehting like this thread was going to happen and I know that Cloe thinks I'm a hack and doesn't care about my opinion anyway. But because I know and work with Dave and had heard about the piece, I was anxious to see it. I'm dissapointed that there isn't more of a recogniseable Dave presence. As far as Seripop's work I like about 10% of it. This doesn't fall into that percentage. The legibility doesn't really bother me in that that is what I would expect from Seripop. The colors hurt my eyes.
I know you all care so much.
first off, "avenger". when i the fuck have i ever taken offense to someone critiquing my work? bring it on. i'd be more than happy if my work got the attention that chloe's does.
you have no clue what you're posting, but then again, i have no clue who the fuck you are.
on another note, you need to look up the definition of "slander".
i don't know what you have anything to do with the ridiculous "livejournal" fiasco, which did more to make other people look like total assholes than their intended target.
as far as that stuff goes, you're not exactly "calling me out" on that garbage because i could give a fuck about a juvenile atempt to start some high-school bullshit, by some idiot with too much time on their hands.
when are these anonymous people going to grow some balls?
people on here know who i like and respect and who i don't. when someone like you comes on here and tries to put me in my place, you're not getting very far, trust me.
My god gunsho why cant they just take the crit like everyone else? Why does it have to be that everyone is against them just because this poster isnt good? You alls clique is very two faced. You crit everything else and cant take it yourselves without making it some personal martyr situation. If I recall from reading here you were one of the handful of people along with Chloe who were doing that slandering of other artists over on that online journal a while back. Weve seen how you guys clique works dont try to convince us that you are saints are something.
The poster doesnt work on several levels. Take the crit and move on for godsakes! :roll:
between the left-handed compliments and standard attack-rhetoric, nothing makes sense. bottom line, half the people on here simply do not like seripop's stuff AND chloe and yannick could give a fuck whether their work is adored by that fraction of people.
if chloe wasn't a chick, i doubt that most of this shit would come down on her the way it does. case in point, "tornado" who hides behind an internet alias to launch his or her attacks and assumes that chloe is a talentless bimbo who does nothing but hang out on gigposters. too much projecting going on.
what's strange to me is that these people can't even come to a consensus agreement on their insults.
i've seen this poster in person. i don't think it's chloe's and yannick's best work, but each poster doesn't need to show the peak of their talent.
this poster, and the comments on it, really reflect how poor the internet can be in communicating things.
first off, this thing looks a million times better in person. the jpg is not a good reflection of that. second, for those who can't read it or don't like it, get over it, who cares? i can read it. when chloe and yannick first showed it to me, i stood there for a minute or so trying to decipher it. THAT doesn't bother me, it's a matter of taste.
there are thousands of posters on this site that appeal to some people and disgust others. who cares? why are seripop's worth more to you to destroy than all the countless others on here?
second. just as this poster is misinterpreted, so are chloe and yannick.
i know chloe and yannick, i just spent close to a week with them in Canada. I spent a while with them over the Summer as well.
i've been told of their "snobbery", lack of talent, etc, and in my subjective opinion, those observations are wrong.
seripop's tagline should be; "seripop probably works harder than you".
they tour with their art. they spend forever on designs. they work fucked-up hours. they print their own shit in a cramped studio. they WORK HARD.
when people come on here, somehow insulted by chloe, because she's insulted by them, what the fuck do they expect?
so far, there have been so many atempts to put chloe in her place, and she's come out of it every time. give up. honestly, the only thing that i can say about chloe that's remotely negative is that she's wasting her time even fighting over this stuff.
where is the *yawn* emoticon.
unreadable is cool?
in the words of one of the raddest designers here, "whatever".
another "look how punk rawk we are" poster.
pure and simple.
have you forgotten what it is all about? you want to frig yourself, do it in front of a camera.
porno is for whores.
posters are to try to get people to come to shows. masturbate on canvas without band info. call it "art".
austin is on the list
we will be at sxsw for the duration and at fs4
dwitt is a dynamo
he does double the work we do.
and he's just one guy.
very soon he's gonna be a big shoot magazine illustrator.
i can feel it.
we are so into doing more collabs with you and other wicked illustrators / designers.
spread the love baby.
since Oct. 2002 I've done about 100 posters on my own, a bunch more with Squad19.
2 album covers.
a couple T-shirt designs.
A comic book. (for Amish Armada)
I barely pay my bills.
I got about three gallery shows coming up. One opens this weekend, a fourth I just took down.
Everyone thinks I should paint full time.
I'm gonna find another Triple Rock show for us to collab on again real soon. Or perhaps something for either of our bands.
Jeremy's name is pronounced...
since march 2002
we've done 99 gig posters and at this count 43 other posters ( art shows, theatre, political , promo ect).
i'm not sure how many are sold out
about 1/3 or so.
done 14 record covers, 2 of them major lable deals
about 20 t shirt designs
like 4 magazine/zine illos
a bunch of art prints, paper dolls weird crap
um some stickers and shit.
an ad campain for canadian national tv
an ad campain for a local radio station
buncha club flyers and crap
have had or been in 50 some art shows, maybe 18 of them in "real" galleries, a bunch in clubs , some in record stores some in people's houses.
we do this full time and don't have any probs paying the bills (anymore).
we eat very good food.
(just ask james or alice)
and while we have messy hair it smells good.
um we bathe daily and are in the midst of planing a us wide (march -april) tour and a europene tour (summer)
tentative plans are being made for art exibits in osaka and tokyo
our stuff isn' for everyone but ouyr clients like it, the bands we work with like it and our peers who we look up to generally like our crap.
i like our crap
yannick likes our crap.
our agent and rep both seem o like our crap.
so do the galleries who show our work ( at least i hope they do with the comission they take grumble grumble)
we like our clients and we like each other.
we like our 2 interns and we like the people who set up our shows.
we like our webmisstress.
we like the photographers who take our slides AND the ones who take press pics of us
we like the people we collab with alot.
we like the bands we do shit for ALOT.
we like the people who we trade with ALOT and we like thier poters even more.
we also like our van, our print shop, our design studio , our 3 cats, our bandmates, friends and collegues.
we like many things
yay life is grand!
seripop- i agree daughters are the only redeeming band on this bill, i was bummed when i missed them at this austin show and highly disappointed in the rest of the show.i wish u could see more of dwitt's illo in this poster
since 2002... how many posters have you two done?
how many record covers?
how many shows and where?
how many posters are sold out?
are you guys able to keep afloat financially with your current work?
I would guess that 99% of the bands that seripop does posters for is crap for my personal taste... but damn those posters are sweet... not only that, these 2 uncombed and unwashed punks travel all over the damn place... and yes some of the shows might be in a backyard somewhere but heh, it works for them and thats all I care about... plus they just got back from NYC where they were kind enuff to hand out gigposters stickers that anydiesel mailed to them. The only problem I have with them is with the fact that they dont eat beef stew... but I am working on that
keep doing whatever you guys do there in Canada...
I want to see a book with your posters within 2 or 3 years... (with a readable cover though :) )
hang on a sec.... we are complaining because we cant read the band names on a poster?
thats nothing... i want something done to that guy called Wabiszcswwesdwzczexcessxzf... how can you be a legit artist when you cant pronounce your name?
Illegibility has a long and honored tradition in art and design -- ask David Carson or the Emigre folks, or the psychedelic artists, or the Dadaists (etc., etc.). Think of a rock poster as a party invitation -- if you look at it and are repelled by its "ugliness," you're probably not invited.
I dig it. I love posters that make the viewer really have to try. That series that Chantry posted where Art, Jeff and I think Hank were trying to out hide the info in each other's work was awesome. Thinking's good and you have to do a little to put this all together. the double face in Dwitt's little dude rules.
This is boring. Look this poster isnt that good in my opinion. Its ugly and unreadable. To say that people who arent cool or punk enough cant read it is a joke and a slap in the face to the majority of sober people with 20/20 vision on the planet. To purposely create work to fit some ethic is fake and contrived and such a poser move. Yannick you should reign chloe in- she soils some of you alls work with thoughtless and naive posts. Shes like nails on chalkboard and makes your operation look 'thin'.
Goonight to you too.
"Cool," transcends definition. You know this. It means something different to everyone. Ironically so does "normal."
Everyone has a right to figure out what they consider "cool," and what they consider "normal." Especially if you're an artist for Christ's sake!
well of course he does all the work
none of you expected a mere female to be able to draw or do layout or pull prints did you?
fuck i'm sure i had some of yu fooled.
i guess the gig is UP.
was fun while it lasted faking being a "poster artist" and all
So it doesn't qualify as an Ad for a show that doesn't qualify as music. Since you can't read the who what and where for a what the fuck noise show. Yet does it qualify as art for an art show or do both fail at the intended purpose of Ad and Music and Art?
Funny to watch seripop try to defend this thing against crits. And if its a neg crit then its not 'valid'. Ive said it before and Im willing to bet that the other guy in seripop does the majority of the work and probably rips clumps of his hair out everytime chloe opens her mouth publicly. Comes off as SO thin and dingy.
In other words, posters that are difficult, or annoying for "normal" people to read for bands that said "normal" people would find difficult or annoying to listen to.
I assume if you were a member of this scene that Seripop caters to you would also find this poster, possibly illegible, maybe hurtful on the eyes, but rewarding in all of its faults and a pleasure to own.
When you wear 3-D glasses this poster looks hum-drum.
It really doesn't matter what we on this site think about this, I'm sure this poster did its job. Seripop has a distinctive style, and they wouldn't be so successful if their posters weren't effective.
For the record, I like it 'cause it looks cool . . . But I honestly can't read past the first line.
the only association this poster has to the bands is is the shitty outcome. all the bands at once did have potential but have become extremmly shity. like the poster im sure in the begining thru process and colabrators the idea was going great, but in my OPINION turned out bad.AMERICAN NIGHTMARE(r.i.p)
Before the show, when Give Up The Ghost was getting some awesome Triple Rock food, I gave them a bunch of these, and one of the guys joked, "Why don't you just keep it and use it for some other show?" It was funny.
Daughters was like, " Hey look Seripop!!"
There was a girl waiting to get in the show, and she was staring at the last copy hanging on the wall, she suddenly shouted, "I can read it!!! YES!!" and ripped it down to take home. It was awesome.
It's tough to read, sure, not illegible. A good fit for the show.
I unfortunately missed the Give Up The Ghost set cause I was talking to Jeremy Wabiszcswwesdwzcz, and checking out his animated movie.
i think illegibility of text has become almost a trademark of seripop's work. Its almost like it stopped being text and becomes just another 'element' that defines or brands each of their posters.
If anyone else had submitted this poster it would have been passed over or a couple of people would have made smart comments about kerning.
i don't care what anybody thinks about your work. i still love it. you guys just get better and better - it's brilliant stuff.
just keep doing what you're doing and in a few years i'll bet you guys will be internationally famous(er).
rene- same here.
most bands we like don't get col posters done OR the posters are really hard to get ahold of .
i have no prob displaying posters with wicked art if i've never heard the bands
of course if i HATE the band(s) it's a diffrent story
wether you can read it or not i thine seripop work is absolutely amazing and so progressive and unique
if i new nothing about the band on the poster i would go to the show because the poster kicks ass, i've been known to do that before
grat work keep it up
I like the discussions on what makes a poster appropriate for the type of music it promotes- I think whats cool about this give and take is that these posters are being continually made and put up and boom-onto the next one. The medium lends itself to experimentation if the artist wants to do that. Some artists treat each poster like it has to be an impeccable piece of art or design- maybe that's appropriate if the music calls for it... Im my case when Im doing work for free jazz / imrovisational music Im playing around with work in my sketchbooks that seems appropriate for some reason. Its fun to see the instant results of putting it out there with an event. Some work better than others. I think Chloe and Yannick have open minds and keep trying different things. Cool by me.
one last thing for rene
we too love MANY posters for bands we hate or have never heard
like i LOVE jesse ledoux's stuff and i have no idea who 90% of those bands are
i don't think disliking or liking posters for a type of music mean you will feel the same way about the music BUT i do think that if time and time again w\ you find imagery that represents a certain type of music either "difficult" , "sappy" (see emo) , "boring" , "ugly" ou might feel that way about the music it represents
well rene a big percentage of stuff we do is for noise rock or avant garde bands (ie bands many people find abraissive, unlistenable, "just noise")
that is our prefered music to listen too so those are the jobs we seek out.
now we try to reflect the music in our posters (and the way we treat text will change depending on the type of music the poster is for and what audeience we are reaching to)
i'm not sure there is a prevailing visual aestectic that goes with noise/noise rock/art rock but i will say most of my prefered current posters artiss work in those music genres and many of my favorite posters made by those people are WAY harder to read than anything yannick and i hae ever made
since we are in canada and the scene here is often several yars behind we feel that most of our stuff is and has to be pretty conservative compared to many of our peers who are making art for the same bands.
the thing about these posters for me is this:
1) i see it on a wall
2) it immediately stands out and makes me take pause
3) i enjoy trying to decipher it and spend as much time as i need to figure it out.
4) pretty successful advert in my books
i wish SP would do more toronto shows... there's still space on my walls.
Does liking the bands on here make you develop triple-sided corneas with x-ray vision? Cause if your saying that if a person likes these bands they can read this stuff... :o
I think their eyeballs are still normal, right?
seripop just mentioned something that has been on my mind for a while...
lets say you like a certain type of band... say 'daughters'.. does tha mean you then automatically or in most cases like a certain art style/form... and vice versa? in other words... if you dont like this poster you most likely wouldnt like the band nad if you hate the daughters and similar bands you wont like these style of posters?
in my opinion that's bogus... i do recognize though that metal heads like the skull crap stuff and faggy emo kids like faggy wings and birds... but personally I have tons of really cool posters for bands that i hate...
i guess to reflect a band you use certain images.. say skulls for hardrock music... and to a degree the style/design part can also be matched to a certain music type... but image/style are not that closely related to the music that they have become mutually exclusive right? (at least i hope not)
anyways i am blabbing
I'm not an artist, I'm not a designer. I'm just a regular guy who apparently is an anonymous pussy because, for the life of me, I have no idea what bands are playing this show when or where.
Being intentially challenging isn't daring. It's merely being sensational for sensation's sake.
This is fitting for "Daughters" that's for sure.
Interesting results from the collaboration though. It would have been nice to see a more ballanced result. If I didn't already know Dave had anything to do with this, I'd have never guessed that he did.
i have no prob with valid crits at all
a jpeg and real life aren't the same.
and honestly if it's hard to read that is FINE cause we KNOW people spend the time readiing.
howw do we know? cause we get emailed everyday.
so if some anonymous pussy with no work to back up his name thinks it's ugly that's fine.
i'm quite happy, yannick is happy, david is happy and the bands i talked to were happy as were all the people who bought this in our last sale.
we don't ake posters to please the masses
we try to experiment, challenge ourselves and challenge our audience.
Dammit seripop...for someone who kind of thrives on criting everyone elses posters who arnt in your clique, you sure cant take crit yourself. This thing is ugly and a bunch of 'cool' people here cant read it. :roll:
The reaction to this poster was awesome. Many hated it and couldn't read it, The owners were laughing, saying i was the worst/best poster they've had yet, cause EVERYONE was talking about it for an entire week, and every copy I put up was taken down ALL OVER TOWN.
So despite it's difficulty, it was a hit.
I love it, and want to do it again.
zelig- the bled and daughters are 2 seperate bands
in real life it's alot easier to read
we printed it at u of pa and test drived it on many students and profs there
everyone we asked could read it in a few seconds and none of them are rock poster enthusiasts or anything
this is a collab we did with dwit
he gave us an illustration and the show info and we sorta fucked up his drawing, cut it, xeroexed iand did the layout and type.
it's a 4 color screenprint 11" x 17"