multiball :

well certainly looks like a goodtime.

2004-01-24 18:09:23

ryanaugust :

Gotta agree, Mike. That and the Ramones...

2003-04-18 21:30:53

MaximumFluoride :

New Yorks biggest influence on modern music has to NYHC in my opinion. Like at least 50 classic top notch Hardcore bands come from New York. way too many to name. Surley more than any other style of music.

2003-04-18 21:05:58

Meeloo :

ah ah ah 129 comments on this !

2003-04-18 19:04:13

RichieGoodtimes :

I'd rather live in Newark.

2003-04-17 07:34:18

art chantry :

actually some of my best friends are new yorkers. heh. i was just teasing folks to get some fun going. that's always a dangerous thing on this site because everybody gets so intense. sorry 'bout that.

2003-04-17 07:30:33

ENothing :

Actually, my comments here were bullshit & DIDN'T belong. Sorry.

2003-04-17 06:14:40

Stainboy Reinel :

Hey Rainman, this is a site for gigposters. That means posters associated with music. If people wanna have a fun little geek-fest debate about the origins of garage, so what? If 'ya don't like a poster thread, then simply don't click on it and just tip the fuck on down the information superhighway.

2003-04-17 03:06:57

Brainiac :

Man, I love WFMU. Whaddya think of the use of type in this here poster? No, really.

2003-04-16 21:46:05

DWITT :

Make me. :lol:

2003-04-16 21:36:28

raindog138 :

enothing - way back like 12 hours ago when i said "shut the fuck up" you posted just seconds before me. i didn't mean for it to look directed at you. it wasn't. yours was actually a halfway legit post. it was directed to all the fucking stupid ass bickering that is really annoying the shit out of me lately. how bout we comment on the fucking posters and end it there. not get into some stupid debate about new york or the origins of garage. who gives a fuck. pm each other for christ sakes. i say again. shut the fuck up. :roll:

2003-04-16 21:18:14

menor66 :

from here NY doesn't seem a bad palce, they have Norton heaquarters, Tim warren and the wfmu.org. Strokes suck asses

2003-04-16 19:32:34

kozik :

ahh..yeah baby...that's it Art..a litle lower...ahh..perfect. spurt.

2003-04-16 14:52:39

art chantry :

frank - toot, toot. wank, wank... yer flesh: strangely peter davis started out in seattle. he used to hang out with the holy war cadets (i believe) and knew maire masco, dennis white, etc.pretty well. he went to a LOT of the shows i was posting flyers for. played in a band, too. i think he met hazelmeyer in seattle when he was so much involved - amrep started in oak harbor, north of seattle where haze was stationed in the military. later on haze played (for awhile) in the u-men, even. i believe he actually recorded with them. as for fantagraphics, like alt music, alt comics had it's peak in the mid nineties. then the bubble burts and it went back to basics as before. they began to mare more monry fromthe durty comics than the alt comix. survival won out and they still struggle. pete bagge kept trying to get a motion picture deal, but they always fell through. i think maybe he had bad representation or something would be my guess. the link bewteen alt comics and alt music began to happen because o the close physical proximity of bruce pavitt, the rocket (and their legion of comic artists), and fantagraphics physically moving to seattle at just the right time. everybody was into what everybody else was doing, so it came a long natuarally. it also helped that fantagraphics employed an awful lot of otherwise unemployable musicians. their warehouse staff was legendary.

2003-04-16 14:44:57

robschwager :

Your Flesh is ok.... Personally, I like mine better.

2003-04-16 14:31:12

kozik :

Fantagraphics offered them a complicated P & D thing at the height of the boom. then, when Fant started eating it the yanked the deal. Big nightmare for Pete.

2003-04-16 14:27:59

Gaither :

should have been called "THE" cavestomp! 97

2003-04-16 14:27:34

Plantweed :

Your Flesh had some good writers (John Ivan-Palmer, Bruce Adams), but I think they were inferior to Forced Exposure. I really miss FE. No one could articulately poo-poo something down their nose like them. Simply venemous.

2003-04-16 14:23:18

Plantweed :

What went on w/ Fantagraphics? Was that part of the attempted early-mid-'90s "synergy" between comix and alt-rock? That tanked, unf. comic artist are even poorer than musicians.

2003-04-16 14:21:29

Grzeca :

Pete from Your Flesh lives down the block from my wife and I. Nice fellah.

2003-04-16 14:12:40

kozik :

Rah Rah Sis Boom Bah! well, so far my manipulative cheerleading has had some good effects(languidly points at the Flatstocks). YOUR FLESH: I know Pter Davis, the publisher quite well. Your Flesh started in Minneapolis along with AMREP. It basically functioned as the Amrep House Organ and Creature Booking developed by booking Amrep's roster. Long, intertwined career. Your Fleash was unique as it also was one of the first 'fanzines' to look good and also review interesting books, comics, Jazz and things 'non rock' It had many good and great writers contribute over the years. About 5 years ago Davis went through s fiasco with Fantagraphics, got married, moved to Chicago, saw his agency and magazine implode, as well as his marraige. But, Davis is indefatigable and he is currently residing in Chicago and continues to publish Your Flesh, albeit a much more arcane version than it used to be and I believe distributed by Diamond, though I may be wrong. Davis booked all the 'classic' Amrep influenced bands such as Helmet Melvins etc..for a couple of years he managed Nashville Pussy, got them into Major Label Land and then they dropped him, and subsequently tanked their deal.

2003-04-16 14:11:49

Plantweed :

I have them play "Disco Inferno" when I bust into a room. Ain't no half-steppin'.

2003-04-16 14:10:21

Brendan Jordan :

I went to Universal Studios in Hollywood when I was a freshman in High School. The first thing I went into had this MC who "warmed" up the crowd. He asked if anyone was from NY, I said yes, he said "welcome to the United States." everyone else laughed. Then the next thing I went to, someone else owned up to being from NY, and got the same shitty joke from some other retard. Before that I neverr knew how the rest of the country felt about NY & NY-ers. I just thought to myself at that moment "Oh, the rest of the country is composed of complete assholes."

2003-04-16 14:10:00

Finch :

Clay - can you make it possible so that crap like this doesn't pop up on MY gigposters screne? Can we like customize this thing so certain conversations are just like totally wiped out from our gigposters experience?

2003-04-16 14:09:44

Brainiac :

I think this poster deserves well over 100 comments. I don't care more than you don't :wink:

2003-04-16 14:09:37

robschwager :

Well, if Art doesn't care, than neither do I.....

2003-04-16 14:04:00

robschwager :

yeah Richie, Frank's been known to play the theme from "Ice Castles" when he enters a room.... worked WONDERS for him. :o

2003-04-16 14:03:05

art chantry :

frank - i simply share observation and experience with folks here. i'm not trying to manipulate and cheerlead (like you). i tell what happened. this stuff happens to everybody, but i've been doing this much longer than most of these folks, so i have more stories, that's all. sharing experience can actually be sharing knowledge. if there is a negative experience, then accept it as such. nothing more, nothing less. beyond that i don't care.

2003-04-16 14:02:16

ENothing :

Uncorrectable errors :o Your southern is showing.

2003-04-16 14:02:13

ENothing :

Now I'm not saying all NYers are like this or anything, just my "that's the last straw" anecdote. 2 guys standing next to me in a bookstore in NY looking at some finance-related book. One says to the other "we could go down South & really make a killing with this." I consider myself a Southerner & it took some will not to sucker punch his pasty face. Fucking carpetbaggers in the 1990's?! Second to last straw was seeing a large homeless woman pissing on the sidewalk across from the street from the UN. It was time to leave NY.

2003-04-16 14:00:36

kozik :

Thats the deal here too, anyone who is 'really into being a Friscan' is NOT a native, the natives are by and large low key and very wealthy. Richie-DUDE! I told you a million times...you need someone to follow you around playing 'Eye Of The Tiger' whenever you say, enter a room. PRESENCE baby.

2003-04-16 13:59:53

art chantry :

brendan - it's a little know fact of science that there is some sorta of larvae in the nyc drinking water that burrows into the brains of those people who drink and turn them into new yorkers. it's true. last time i went there, i got infected, too! it took many months of gigposters to kick that crap out of me. i'm much better now, thank you. thanks for asking!

2003-04-16 13:59:29

Plantweed :

I have a 2-car garage. I keep cars in it, and a snowblower, and a lawn mower, and some chemicals and tools and shit. Have a basement and an attic too. Whoopee!

2003-04-16 13:57:59

RichieGoodtimes :

I need a gimmick. Just being amazingly intelligent and super handsome isn't cutting it anymore.

2003-04-16 13:56:52

Brendan Jordan :

Art Said: "i swear i've been treated like a backwoods primitive by new yorkers all my life." You see, that's weird, because many people living, and making decisions in NY are transplanted from other regions. NYC is the melting pot of America. If their acting that way towards you it's because they are personally full of shit.

2003-04-16 13:56:15

DWITT :

Thank you, doug barker.

2003-04-16 13:55:45

doug barker :

Your Flesh was originally a Hardcore zine, which then continued on in a post-Hardcore direction, and which is, in fact, still around. last issue i saw had a cover by ART CHANTRY. I think it came out last fall. Hhowever, the mailing address in it is Chicago. Not sure when the change of venue occurred.

2003-04-16 13:54:51

kozik :

anyways Art it's not YOU I belittle but your 'gimmick'.

2003-04-16 13:54:16

DWITT :

Frank just thanked himself. Weird. I want a garage too. jesus could've been in the best garage band ever. jesus is way cool.

2003-04-16 13:54:16

Plantweed :

Now you can't smoke in any workplace. I HATE cig smoke but that's a fukkin bogus law. Our dentured ex-smoker Republican state senate leader Joe "Buy Me an Arena" Bruno pushed that one threw. And his limp-dick son, the D.A. of Rensellaer Co. wants to apply forfeiture laws to everythingfrom picking ip prostitutes to picking yr nose in public. Fukkin career politicians. Here's to term limits. This poster sux.

2003-04-16 13:53:50

kozik :

I've had my ups and downs. I basically 'judge' the quality of my life by my bank account and the quality of pussy i get. so far so good. I'm actually happier than I have ever been, even though Im old and fat! Hah! I could give 2 shits about public adulation-it's transitory. I like projects...got ots of new ones right now, plus a freat old lady so I'm happy as a pig in shit! But yes, in retrospect, my life has TOTALLY RULED. Thanks Jesus!

2003-04-16 13:52:29

John A :

If I had a garage, it would be so cool. I could like, park my car in there. Then maybe I could have a heavy duty tool bench with a big fuggin' vice on it. Maybe a pegboard behind it to hang all my tools on with their shapes traced in marker so they'd all have their places. Maybe my lawnmower could even fold up under said bench. I could also have a mini-fridge out there for beverages. And once a year, I could pull the car out to the street and have a "Festacular" in my garage... that would rule.

2003-04-16 13:52:00

philaarts.com :

"life would be one of fabulous wealth and prestige and public adulation born of strong will and not giving a damn about anybody or anything. " im pretty much aspiring to that... just have to work on the money and people actually liking me..

2003-04-16 13:51:25

RichieGoodtimes :

What sucks is that in December I was in Manhattan and I didn't know what was going on in the city that night and I was down by St. Marks so I go hey, maybe I'll just go see whats going on at Coney Island High. So I've got Cochina with me and she's never been to New York and I lived there for a bit so I'm like I know where I'm going. So I'm walking around looking for the fucking club. It's cold and Cochina's calling me a moron for saying I know where it is and not being able to find it. Well it was fucking GONE, NO MORE, CLOSED. I had no idea. Fuck New York. And Cigarettes were like $7.50.

2003-04-16 13:50:26

DWITT :

The love is getting thick in here. PWeed- hrm. I'll have to look around. If I find anything, i'll let ya know.

2003-04-16 13:49:44

art chantry :

excuse me, that last post of mine was directed at frank, who constantly belittles me.

2003-04-16 13:49:06

art chantry :

and to go by your logic - your life would be one of fabulous wealth and prestige and public adulation born of strong will and not giving a damn about anybody or anything. right? ahh, but i know better. you're just human, ya know?

2003-04-16 13:48:13

Plantweed :

DWitt: Your Flesh was a post-hardcore zine started in the early-mid '80s, and presumably still going. The guy that edits it ran (runs?) Creature Booking.

2003-04-16 13:48:09

DWITT :

I commented on it when i mentioned that Festacular sounds like cancer. I wasn't exchanging barbs, so nobody noticed.

2003-04-16 13:46:36

ryanaugust :

Sockeye were genius. The "Retards Hiss Past My Window" LP is a true classic.

2003-04-16 13:46:35

DWITT :

Plantweed- i have no idea who or what that is. I want fish and chips.

2003-04-16 13:45:28

kozik :

the poster, she is, not so good.

2003-04-16 13:45:18

kozik :

not a cheap shot. I never take cheap shots, simply expository ones. If one where to go by your stories on this forum, your life has,apparentley been one endless nightmare of degradation and sorrow.

2003-04-16 13:44:45

philaarts.com :

you know NOONE has commented on the actual poster. USA USA USA :bang:

2003-04-16 13:44:33

Bradley W. Zimmerman :

Art is Loved in Tucson. (now send me free stuff).

2003-04-16 13:43:36

RichieGoodtimes :

"...every place that you are from...well that place sucks..." -Dave Schall of Sockeye

2003-04-16 13:43:33

Plantweed :

So what's happening with all the ex-Your Flesh crew up in MN?

2003-04-16 13:43:11

DWITT :

I think Minnesota nice exists as a defense mechanism so we don't all go crazy and slaughter each other in the winter. Redrum.

2003-04-16 13:42:16

Plantweed :

Cary, NC = Consolidated Area of Relocated Yankees. Baptist/Stepford/Fake-Rich-Development Hell.

2003-04-16 13:42:03

John A :

I wish I had a garage.

2003-04-16 13:41:38

RichieGoodtimes :

Godammit. I just realized that San Francisco is boring.

2003-04-16 13:41:36

art chantry :

thanks for the cheap shot frank. damn! you are the master! i got along fine with people in seattle - i lived there for 46 years. it's people who played dirty with me and shafted me (one time, my fault - ten times, i start to get pissed) that i decided not to get along with. if you knew my history that would be apparent to you, but you crack wise instead.

2003-04-16 13:41:17

kozik :

hmm.. I have always lived in nice places.lucky. only place I spent time at that sucked was Biloxi Mississippi. But Gulf Springs was nice.

2003-04-16 13:40:17

rockologist :

awesome. galveston is a pit.

2003-04-16 13:40:13

DWITT :

I'm cursed with Minnesota nice. Don't fuck with me! Oh ya, you betcha.

2003-04-16 13:39:45

Finch :

"i swear i've been treated like a backwoods primitive" Art - imagine how people would treat you if you were actually living in the backwoods (like some of us). :D Okay, now I want a 200 word essay on why you are thankful...

2003-04-16 13:39:43

philaarts.com :

i got escorted out of galveston texas and told if i return ill be arrested... but they didnt mention any problems with chantry, just me and those "damn mexicans".. :o true story.

2003-04-16 13:38:47

RichieGoodtimes :

New York City is boring.

2003-04-16 13:37:43

ENothing :

Personal experience, I would agree w/Art's general "myopia" in NYer's. Grew up in S Fl. surrounded by MANY & lived up there in the area for a few years. I'm STILL playing nice. Just 2 cents.

2003-04-16 13:36:53

Plantweed :

Don't even get me started on the Upstate-Downstate thing, y'all in the rest of the country don't even know...

2003-04-16 13:35:10

DWITT :

I live in one of those fly-over states too. I like it here. Dave- I'll rub yer back. I got strong hands. :wink:

2003-04-16 13:33:32

kozik :

Hey Art...so far we know that you didnt get along with people in Seattle, and now NYC. is there a region of theus or a group of people that you do get along with and so forth?

2003-04-16 13:33:19

art chantry :

brendan - well, my general (note the word 'general') experience with people from nyc is that they have this incredible provincialism that creates this blinding myopia when it comes to the rest of the country. basically, if it doesn't happen in nyc, then it really didn't happen at all. (they do make exeptions for sf - which they view as a sorta 'mini nyc' - and then la - cuz of them movie things). i swear i've been treated like a backwoods primitive by new yorkers all my life. when they notice me or my work, they sorta hold it up and say "why look at this! genuine vernacular imagery produced by a country bumpkin", or something to that effect. i then get 'discovered' and then it fades away and no more attention is paid to me until some twit suddenly discovers work of primitive impact and then i get heralded as a primitive genius all over again. i've gone through the same stupid cycle about five times since the aerly 80's. it's all pretty silly. i see the same phenomenon in regards to music, art, fashion, in fact all popular culture generally. so, i get a little snitty about nyc. can you blame us bumpkins out here?

2003-04-16 13:31:53

philaarts.com :

yeah... sal certainly is the bitter one here.. sal knock off your negativity!!!! who wants to rub my back?

2003-04-16 13:29:27

DWITT :

I bet this thread will become a giant garage love fest. I guess I play in a garage band, though we have an actual practice space. We're all getting fat, and we have no talent. Didn't know about a dress code though. might look into that. We're also all really poor and play on shitty equipment. We drink a lot too. We could be looting and robbing rich folks, so I figure it's a good way to spend my time.

2003-04-16 13:25:58

art chantry :

sal - where do you get this "hateful" stuff? i'm teasing you, my friend. i see you blowing a lotta smoke out there and i'm poking you with a stick to see if you'll pop like a hot air balloon. like an awful lot of people said to me on this site in the past - lighten up, dude!

2003-04-16 13:23:47

Brendan Jordan :

I'm from Long Island, so I'm like the bastard child of NYC. Whereas the rest of the country hates the city, it's proximity to us is one of the Island's only saving graces. My Mom & Dad grew up there, my brother, sister and lots of friends live there now, and if I had the cash I'd be there right now

2003-04-16 13:22:36

Salcanzonieri :

Well, after the Cramps started out in NYC, there was a lot of such bands there, and this continued from then on. it always dwindled and came back. Like The Fuzztones, and so on. Sure, a lot of them were retro-60s bands, like the Chesterfield Kings type of bands, but then there were bands that were what is called "Punk Rock N Roll", in NYC. I think the Northwest bands, who were indeed truly great, were drawing from The Sonics, etc, and so were this NYC bands. It's too long ago for me to remember without having to look through some archival things I have. I wasn't really into the Garage scene too much, just went to some shows when the better bands played, since yeah they were kind of punk rock anyways. Most of the time during those years i was playin in my own bands that were doing something a lot different, what evolved into Electric Frankenstein (who you liked Art, since you did a single and an album cover for us via Estrus). We had a great talk when I met you about maintaining integrity in your art and music and so on and about using non-modern production techniques and still sounding great, etc., and I don't know why you are so hateful towards me today, you can disagree with me, without taking it so personal and being so personal against me.

2003-04-16 13:20:56

Stainboy Reinel :

Hehe...Reg. Yeah. "Give it to me" is my all time top Trogg fave. The thing about the real garage bands is that they weren' trying to be garage. They wanted to be slick and Beatle boys. They just didn't have the budget. Coolstuff just came out of it. Awright, I'm outta' this Doctor Who convention.... :)

2003-04-16 13:20:47

philaarts.com :

i hope this thread gets like really redudant.. goes to like 200 posts.. and seripop tells someone off really good.... :P

2003-04-16 13:20:28

art chantry :

brendan - are you a new yorker? c'mon, you can tell us. we won't bite you (much)...

2003-04-16 13:18:46

DWITT :

Festacular sounds like a type of cancer. Not a fun one either.

2003-04-16 13:18:11

art chantry :

MMMMMMM.... TROGGS!!!!.....MMMMMMM.....GOOD!!!!!!!!!...... but seriously, did you know that reg (the lead singer and top dog cheezeball in the troggs) is now one of the world authorities on crop circles? he's one of the bull goose cereologists. sometimes you see him interviewed on those ufo shows on "the learning channel".

2003-04-16 13:17:49

ENothing :

Me?

2003-04-16 13:17:33

raindog138 :

shut the fuck up.

2003-04-16 13:16:32

ENothing :

Fuck yea! "With a Girl Like You" is one of the greatest songs ever.

2003-04-16 13:15:47

Brendan Jordan :

Art, are you familiar with Coney Island High? It was completely punk and garage stuff at least as far as I know

2003-04-16 13:14:57

Stainboy Reinel :

Oh yeah, I forgot my :wink: emo....

2003-04-16 13:14:43

Stainboy Reinel :

Can't you guys just put yer pointy cuban heels n' mops on and love one another? Me? If I want 'garage' I just toss on a fuckin' Troggs record. Mono.

2003-04-16 13:14:00

art chantry :

i know your word is gospel and all, but how about posting the flyers and then proving to me that these were anything more than punk bands or retro-60's bands. ya know, just because the beach boys play every year at the state fair doesn't mean there is a surf revival going on...

2003-04-16 13:09:23

kozik :

anyway,,garage is all about 'search for authenticity'...to like, enhance your own 'specialness'. Lot of record collector scum are into Garage...'I have a copy of the Felchtones, mon etc.' garage was a perfect place to sort of unite many elements. I fucking hate it.

2003-04-16 13:06:04

Salcanzonieri :

I was going to garage fests in 1978 and 79. Saw the Creeping Pumkins, Cheepskates,The Mosquitos, and many more. Once a year they all would play together at these 'fests' they would hold. No offense, Art, just pointing out that this is a long time thing have garage fests in NYC. If I had the flyers, I'd post it.

2003-04-16 13:04:13

kozik :

plus, if you where 'garage' you could actually 'be cool and hip' without actually owning, say, a vintage car-you could merely DRESS like you owned a vintage car. Patches and so on.

2003-04-16 13:03:30

Brendan Jordan :

Yeah Frank, I'm insulted. Now I've been insulted by Kozik & Chantry in one day.

2003-04-16 13:03:09

art chantry :

see what i mean??? real honest wit - just try to cut down as many people as you can in one vicious comment. so what if i took on nyc? frank just took out every fat person in america - nee, the world! in response to frank's comment - he just described current punk.

2003-04-16 13:00:12

DWITT :

try being witty like me. It's tricky.

2003-04-16 13:00:05

Brendan Jordan :

I guess I've been indoctrinated with the GP.com cheap shot juice. Sorry 'bout that

2003-04-16 12:58:37

art chantry :

most of my contacts in the 90's garage/punk scene see the strokes as total retro. the yeah yeah yeah's i don't know anything about, so i reserve comment.

2003-04-16 12:58:22

kozik :

'garage' was a way for fat guys and fat girls to wear a lot of clothes and hide their fatness. A mechanics jacket hides a gut the way a sleeveless t shirt can't. It also allows you to be in a band with a minimum of actual skill or effort.

2003-04-16 12:57:47

Brendan Jordan :

I'll always argue for They Might Be Giants. Oh, and JSBX (I think there from NYC) And then to a lesser extent The Strokes and the Yeah Yeah Yeahs

2003-04-16 12:56:53

art chantry :

i'm trying to witty like kozik. can't i be witty like kozik, too?

2003-04-16 12:56:52

art chantry :

brendan, what kind of cheap shot is that? c'mon...

2003-04-16 12:55:43

art chantry :

sonic youth! forgot about sonic youth. i have to admit, i LOVE the 'junkie artfag' persona of the post-punk ny scene, tho....

2003-04-16 12:55:01

Brendan Jordan :

I respect your stuff, and I think you might be having some emotional problems, so I'll end the debate here. P.S. I understand emotional problems

2003-04-16 12:53:31

art chantry :

not since 9/11... i just want to get back to hating nyc instead of pitying it...

2003-04-16 12:51:18

Brendan Jordan :

I get the feeling the rest of the country thinks it's cool to be anti-NYC as much as the rest of the world thinks it's cool to be anti-USA. But who cares, it's just your opinion

2003-04-16 12:50:23

art chantry :

brendan - seriously, what has come out of ny since the glory days of the early ny punk scene? pussy galore? that's it???

2003-04-16 12:49:03

art chantry :

there is a difference between retro-sixties pailey beetle-boot bands and 'garage/punk' as it emerged in the nineties. frankly, i could never figger out what exactly what was 'garage about it... the mono men? dead moon? lord high fixers? fireballs of freedom? retro? sure, you had yer 'silly surfers (the phantom surfers, untamed youth, etc.) and yer fake '? & the mysterians' (the makers, the chesterfield kings) and yer james brown/hot rod wannabes, but the core was total nasty punk rock. i don't get that from the ny scene at all. they just seem to be a bunch of retro nostalgia acts in black dickies and tight pegged pants.

2003-04-16 12:48:06

Brendan Jordan :

art chantry wrote: "ya know, after all of these years out here in the trenches, i've come to the conclusion that new york can't do anything right. it's always late and shallow." Yeah, and the Fillmore was deep. CBGB's is all I gotta say.

2003-04-16 12:45:01

Stainboy Reinel :

I don't know if you could call 'em 'fests' but like-minded underground 'garage' bands ( of the retro variety ) have indeed been putting on shindigs in New York and elsewhere since the early 80's. Not trying to get into a pissing contest with anyone, just adding to the fray.....

2003-04-16 12:38:45

art chantry :

total news to me, sal. show me some evidence of what you say is true and i'll admit i'm full of baloney, ok?

2003-04-16 12:19:27

Salcanzonieri :

Umm, as much as NYC can suck; these garage fests have been happening here for like the past 20 years, every year, named one thing or another. The garage band scene here has been around since the late 70s, so you full of baloney

2003-04-16 12:15:51

art chantry :

jeph - give me a break, man. they wanted to hire coop. i had to pressure them to go with a better choice. they had no clue out there in new york city.

2003-04-16 12:01:51

Jeph :

:roll:

2003-04-16 11:58:29

art chantry :

frank - yeah, i know. they approached me back then and i turned it down. i said go hire kozik - here's his number. thank me later. heh.

2003-04-16 11:57:21

Jeph :

Hey Frank I can't make it out, it's the second from the right correct? Got any higher res. versions?

2003-04-16 11:54:46

kozik :

actually, the Man's Ruin Logo was originally the Black Cat Licorice Logo. It was a candy company from the 30's, long defunct but there was still a painted barn side down in the south Bay. I had a lawyer do a copyright search and then legally 'took over' the logo, when no one claimed it. Now, it belongs to the STate of California, as they got it as part of the Man's Ruin Corporate bankruptcy. You can probably buy it for 100 dollars.

2003-04-16 11:45:19

Finch :

Group hug?

2003-04-16 11:43:10

raindog138 :

case in point. http://www.blackcatfireworks.com/ im an idiot.

2003-04-16 11:42:35

Jeph :

Nice to see you working on your manners Finch. See what a happy family we can all be.

2003-04-16 11:40:53

raindog138 :

oh. tee hee. sorry frank. very similar though aint it?

2003-04-16 11:40:03

kozik :

yes it is. I did posters for this thing for like 3 years running. he did several different posters each year. One of mine had Captain Caveman and another one had a fucked up frankenstein. The Promoter guy was really full of shit and annoying.

2003-04-16 11:39:20

Finch :

I think that might be the Man's Ruin logo

2003-04-16 11:36:43

Finch :

BACK OFF NOW! I went back and ammended my remark! :D

2003-04-16 11:36:09

raindog138 :

was this sponsered by black cat fireworks? seriously.

2003-04-16 11:35:21

rockologist :

finch, did you learn NOTHING from yesterday? we've gotta try to be fucking nicer, goddammit!

2003-04-16 11:34:18

raindog138 :

very observant of you. was this a battle of the "THE" bands or what?

2003-04-16 11:33:56

art chantry :

ya know, even when new york belatedly discovers the whole 'garage' thing, they turn it into a retro/oldies format and do a fake garageshock. they sorta miss the whole point, then act like they discovered it. geez!

2003-04-16 11:33:37

Finch :

Sorry - that came across as being flippant. Let me revise that and say that I belive this is from 1997.

2003-04-16 11:31:42

Finch :

I'd guess 1997. :roll:

2003-04-16 11:29:48

julie* :

what year is this from?

2003-04-16 11:28:31

menor66 :

What a lineup :o

2003-04-16 07:43:44

art chantry :

ya know, after all of these years out here in the trenches, i've come to the conclusion that new york can't do anything right. it's always late and shallow.

2003-04-16 07:35:26

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