let's expand this new paradigm to include magic shows, cake walks, ice cream socials, monster-truck pulls, bachelorette parties, circuses, rummage sales, thanksgiving and weddings. Why should "gig" be limited to the world of music?
Lets post all the admats too then, and mp3s of radio spots and TV commercials. I saw one for Bon Jovi last night. How about the fliers for all the local high school musicals or community theater performances of GREASE. All of them "advertisements for a live musical performance"...
I understand the landscape is changing, but it's a free for all in the digital only 'poster' realm. If it's web only, student, or spec work it shouldn't be here. But I'm not the boss, so whatever. Go die. Everyone. Now.
so a printed, physical gig poster that never actually gets plastered on to a wall to promote a show but instead ends up directly onto the merch table is more valid than an e-flier who's entire purpose is to promote the event.
For once, I kind of see both sides of this argument. It seems silly to ignore new-media versions of gigpostsers. However, I really appreciate the traditional aspects of a printed/xeroxed/etc "actual" poster. Hmmm... a conundrum indeed.
Mike's analogy is crap - listening to MP3s vs. listening to CDs is not a big enough difference. I'd say it is more like listening to music on an AM radio in a 1971 Plymouth Fury vs. seeing a band live.
A printed poster, even an offset one, is a physical object you can interact with and experience with all your senses. A picture on a screen, no matter how awesome, will never be the same thing. Just look at all the comments like "You should see this in person!"
Probably a quote from me in regards to a poster I did with Drowning Creek. That would have been about 8 or 9 years ago. Times change. And I'm not saying, never have, and never will say that screen printed posters are not the top of the food chain. It's just time to add some new ideas to the definition of a gig advertisement. Because at the end of the day the basic function of the poster is the same as an e-poster. And that is to advertise a gig.
OK, I shit you not....a minute ago a poster came up on randomizer, looked cool, I clicked, and check this quote out
"I just got these in the mail and I was indeed blown away. Holy crap!! The printing is so damn cool. Great job Jeff! The printed poster is 1000% cooler than the jpeg.
They also printed HANDBILLS!!!! Oh shit. They are like trading cards for the poster world.
and the smell... oh.. I love the smell of the inks... hehe
sorry if I sound self absorbed but these are my first real printed posters in 5 years. I couldn't be happier."
i'm not really taking any of this personally, Andy and i'm glad that there is a good discussion being stimulated. this is just a design i liked so i thought i would share. if it's discouraged to post poster designs that aren't physical, then i obviously won't continue to do that.
It would be a pretty dull gigposters website if we all agreed on everything and every 'poster' was treated the same as Allen Jaeger's.
This thread has brought up a very valid point (which should maybe move over to the discussion threads and have Clay weigh in on), and it has nothing to do with the design or the designer (don't take it personally Nicholas) - it has to do with what is real and what is imagination, what is physical and what is digital. It's the difference between having a real girl in the room or a screen full of internet porn. It's the difference between looking at a print on here or holding it in your hands.
If you think they are all one and the same....I think you missed something.
I don't understand why you guys spend so much time debating this poster (and a million others like it) when there are so many other lovely, unique and amazing ones by people who illustrate and silkscreen their work on here to pay attention to. Seriously, dedicate your time to looking at those pieces instead of wasting it here.
Intent is meaningless. Quite simply, this site an archive dedictaed to gig posters. That means they exist in the physical world and served as a promotional piece or a merchandised commmodity (or both). If every "virtual" poster were submitted here this site qould quickly become useless. If I had my druthers, flyers and handbills and xeroxs -- bascially antything that is reporduced en masse et cetera would be separated from posters. Also, printing them after the fact does not suddenly make something "official."
I designed a bunch of 4 x 5" b&w flyers last year for a dude called DJ Xerox, and I'd email him the tif and he'd print them on his inkjet, and there'd be four to a sheet and he'd make photocopies, cut em up, and distribute them by hand.
Of the dozen shows my band has played not one poster or flyer has been printed. All have been e-posters/ flyers. Rickun is right. Everything is changing. It makes no rel sense for most bands to poster or flyer out in the real world. way faster and more effective to do it all online.
Well Josh, I'm probably just sounding like an old fart who hasn't had his daily medication and isn't allowed to drive on the info highway, but how about 'new' shit that pops up every week because of technology get it's own fucking name and quit honing in on the real deal.
beecombs, at least push a button and print it out on an inkjet. It's not about etiquette, it's about what is real and what isn't. Show some ink, show some respect for the medium.
What Andymac said. Shit... print out a few from your inkjet or go to kinkos then hang them in a coffee shop. Problem solved. Nobody is saying they have to be high quality screen prints. Look at how many xerox black and white fliers are posted here. They are legit because they exist in the physical world beyond the 10101010101010101s of the computer/interweb. Someone can actually old them in their hands or hang them on their wall.
Poster - A placard or bill used for advertising, public information, etc, TO BE POSTED ON A WALL OR OTHER SURFACE
I looked it up in my Funk and Wagnalls -that's a reference book that was used before Google....
Wait, if it's unprinted, it's just a design on a computer....not really a poster. So if you did a booth at flatstock, would you just have a computer and screen, and burn copies for $20 on a memory stick, or would you burn a disc?
Print the fucking thing or it's not a real poster.