phoondaddy :

Love.

2006-08-21 12:55:52

defencedesign :

big pricks and big egos, Oh Boy!

2005-07-07 01:09:47

Zach Hobbs :

thus is great@!!!

2005-06-06 20:45:11

Plantweed :

Another fun thread...

2003-07-22 06:38:26

Andrio Abero :

I'm in no relation to Patent Pending other than I'm a huge fan of their work. I met Jeff shortly after doing the "upside down poster" for The Vera Project, who I still do most of my work for.

2003-01-03 14:34:54

standard :

Grandpaboy is pretty cool....

2003-01-03 08:05:17

philaarts.com :

so paul westerberg is really cool when he plays in the character of grandpaboy..

2003-01-03 06:11:00

goad74 :

No.

2003-01-02 22:24:48

Decker :

it's social and environmental ironic commentary using negative symbolism and perverted stereotypes. All have fallen into shadow.

2003-01-02 22:13:34

goad74 :

This is all wrong. Everybody knows that shadows are black not white. Geesh.

2003-01-02 22:08:35

philaarts.com :

did you run out of toner?

2003-01-02 14:18:20

Jeff Kleinsmith :

Just you wait... OK, I gotta go, I'm in Portland at my friend's house. Lotsa love... oh, and please note, I could make a list of about 25 folks in Seattle alone that are nine times more talented than I can ever hope to be. I'm just funnin' around.

2003-01-02 14:17:30

Jermaine :

Kleinsmith is a 'designer'. i.e. 'Human Xerox Machine'

2003-01-02 14:12:21

philaarts.com :

wait wait wait. is subpop in seattle? kleinsmith is a fucking joke.

2003-01-02 14:10:27

Jermaine :

Youre 'the man'. We used to believe in you.

2003-01-02 14:09:03

kozik :

I heard you guys actually 'work' from a 300 foot yacht anchored somewhere near Fiji....

2003-01-02 14:09:02

Jeff Kleinsmith :

Ahh, I only brought to the intern suites, on the lower level. My "office", if you can really call an entire city block an office, is upstairs. Now that I know you, next visit I'll let you see from where I pull the puppet strings.

2003-01-02 14:06:37

Jermaine :

Jeff is at the 'top'... Ive hung out in that sweet SUBPOP corner office where he holds court... He's all..'successful'.

2003-01-02 14:02:19

Jeff Kleinsmith :

I met this young man about two years ago. At that point he was about to do his first poster (the one with the big guitar on it). He was introduced to me at Sub Pop by the guy who helps put on a lot of the shows that these posters advertise. He claimed to be a "big fan" of me and Patent Pending. Fast forward two years to gigposters and I see all of these great posters for the first time. That's about all I know. He and I have spoken a few times since our initial meeting. I've never seen these hanging anywhere but that doesn't mean they didn't (I have children and I avert crowds so I don't make it out much). The sense of regionalism IS disappearing I think,largely due to sites like thist. I am exposed to a more vast ocean of work than before when I only saw stuff in books, or things that were sent to me. Also, I don't know about other places but missing in Seattle now days are places like The Rocket Magazine that acted as a kind of hub, or "meeting place" for designers, cartoonists, and photographers. People would gather and share ideas and experiences. This is also where Art and I met and began to singlehandedly craft Seattle into the design mecca that it has become. However, with Art's departure, I have been left with the odious task of propping up the empire all by myself. That's why it's a relief to see folks like this Andrio person come along and help take the pressure off. It's lonely at the top...

2003-01-02 13:59:28

jimbo :

They make you look away?

2003-01-02 13:44:19

philaarts.com :

what the hell does pearl jam have to do with this?

2003-01-02 13:31:19

kozik :

one word: MEME Seattle has disturbing traffic patterns.

2003-01-02 10:57:22

MaximumFluoride :

Venice and Santa Monica are gonna be the new Seattle for a while because of that Dogtown movie. Guess I better ca$h in while I can. I started doing flyers because of Marc Rude and Pushead. I started doing posters because of Kozik and Uncle Charlie.

2003-01-02 10:54:24

art chantry :

stnky - i never said it was exclusive to seattle at all. in fact i think your work is part of the merging style. as for jermaine language position, i agree 1000%. i've always looked at this as a language. as for frank's astute insider assessment of seattle's scene - whatever. as for jeff an me creating the 'old seattle look' together, well, you can only imagine how i feel about that statement. i got 15 years on my former assistant in that style. as for a lot of the other comments - huh? good bye .

2003-01-02 10:54:19

kozik :

I don't know why I started doing posters..I had been dabbling in 'mail art' for a while and was really into like Re/Search and RAW and shit...all my friends where in bands..it sort of just devolved onto my non-musical shoulders...

2003-01-02 10:51:18

stinkbait :

I sorta see what Art's saying but I don't think this look is exclusive to Seattle. Pre-gigposters this may have been something that could be credited to a regional thing but now kids all over the world can see what's going on. Patent Pending is doing lots different stuff know than Jeff was doing even a couple of years ago. Before gigposters I was doing stuff that looked like old Kleinsmith work. Now our stuff has started to evolve due to influences from AA, Seripop, Methane, etc... Seattle also has Jacob Covey and Tyler Stout who are nothing like this stuff. There's Jeff Matz, Heads Of State, J. Goldberg, Jason Munn, Thomas Scott, vibranium... all doing similar stuff all over the country. Seems to be way more than regional and it seems to be a constant evolution... And this in no way means to discredit what's going on in the NW. I've said it before the scene Art and then Jeff evolved is the reason I wanted to start doing posters.

2003-01-02 10:48:58

robe :

...and canadians sneaking across the border!!!!

2003-01-02 10:48:57

kozik :

I heard that Seattle is nothing but junkies, drunk indians and billionaires with poor social graces. Oh..and airplanes.

2003-01-02 10:47:04

RichieGoodtimes :

Fonatanas been biting Corona and Riverside for years.

2003-01-02 10:45:41

Jermaine :

'learn to swim'

2003-01-02 10:45:08

RichieGoodtimes :

And didn't Seattle already learn it's lesson about being the new hip place? I don't think the sting off the movie Singles has worn off just yet.

2003-01-02 10:44:50

kozik :

all Azusa is doing is ripping off Fontana.

2003-01-02 10:44:10

RichieGoodtimes :

Octaroon? Seattle's lame. The new hot spot for poster art in 2003...I predict will be...Azusa, California.

2003-01-02 10:42:44

Jermaine :

What, 'Omnivore'?

2003-01-02 10:42:22

kozik :

what about the 'O' word?

2003-01-02 10:41:38

Jermaine :

i think you can compare it to language, personally. Like, the 'N' word...that horrible label that Black Americans were labeled with for years. The word was genrally used in slave days to be demaning...but actually became 'descriptive'. So like, even kids who didnt know it was a slur used it to classify blacks because, to them, thats what they WERE. Well, in the early 20th century, to use the term in the South could be a slur AND descriptive, while in the North, it was primarily a slur. Fast forard to the 40s-60, where almost universally in the USA, the word became a slur. Enough light had been shone on the term, and now people realized that it was, at the very least, offensive. Since the late 70's-present, the word has been usurped by many black Americans, primarily as a term of affection amongst each other. And a recent phenom, other races (orientals, white kids, etc) have begun to use the term amonst THEMSELVES...also as a term of endearment. I think art in a 'scene' does the same thing. The reason a kid in Seattle might make a Chantryesque or Kleinsmithish type image today doesnt necessarily have to have ANYTHING to do with why those original scenesters produced the art. Some may try to tap into the original feelings that influenced the original scene...others may simply be copycatting. Others may be doing a bit of both...or even doing it out of nostalgia. It was like that in Texas, too. It's very similar to words in a language...especially slangs...cause like...slangs spring from peoples reaction to circumstances. This is hard to put into words in this forum, so excuse my ramblings.

2003-01-02 10:40:02

kozik :

or maybe it's all that radioactive shit drifting over the Cascades from Eastern Wash.

2003-01-02 10:36:53

rockologist :

there is a no posting law in austin and the way that i always saw work up until now was at record stores and clubs. now, i see work daily, and i'm influenced by it all. another thing i might suggest is that some people might have been influenced by that look, and maybe haping to coincidentally live in seattle. i dunno. i'll shut up now.

2003-01-02 10:35:54

kozik :

Seattle (I think) has a relatively active 'scene', contains at leat 1 'important label' and has 2 quality weekly papers plus numerous venues, hangouts etc. I get the feeling everyone knows each other and therefore even 'non posted' work can 'get around'.

2003-01-02 10:35:16

art chantry :

frank - i know pretty damned well what you're talking about, but this something more than that. most of these posters in seattle DO NOT get posted. so how do they see them on a wall? i think some of the most amazing posters in the world are coming out of seattle (and the northwest) right now. there are other places/people producing very similar work elsewhere, but seattle is the center of what is turning out to be the new look. at least that's my guess. my vote for poster of the year is: damn near anything coming out of seattle.

2003-01-02 10:31:32

rockologist :

i tend to agree with kozik on this one- it doesn't seem to be all that much of a mystery to me. learn three chords. now go start a band..,

2003-01-02 10:31:15

kozik :

I am not passing critique but merely examining the actual vector. example..I see something like this and it looks cool, so then I think..maybe I will give that postwar psuedo surrealist style a shot. at the same time a few others do it as well..in an attempt to 'stay fresh'. if my area has an active 'scene' over a short period of time a new paradign emerges. no mystery..hell..one good poster in a good position..say an important record store can be viewed by a thpousand people in a week...if 3 of them doo posters and it triggers them...

2003-01-02 10:27:29

art chantry :

frank - also, i think your remarks are a rather 'negative' dismissal of some real honest artistic accomplishments. this is a LOT more than a buncha wannabes trying to be cool.

2003-01-02 10:23:36

art chantry :

frank - this is NOT my style at all. it's not fair to include me in that description - lagely because it sorta diminishes the rather proud accomplishments of these folks.

2003-01-02 10:22:23

philaarts.com :

i need a spell checker.. i was responding to franks comment...

2003-01-02 10:18:37

kozik :

answer: you are a young dude in Seattle. You see a certain style os posters...say the Chantry/Kleinsmith/Patent Pendinge style in record shops, peoples homes etc...you figure...that style is connected with a 'cool scene'. You want to be connected to a 'cool scene', and by extension 'be cool' so you do stuff in that style as it seems to be accepted and desired by the 'cool people'. boring. I like it when people like Seripop start doing weird out of place stuff better because then the 'cool scene' is forced to deal with somwthing new.

2003-01-02 10:18:00

goad74 :

Oh what, now you're british, Dave, spelling License with a C? You are certainly a man of mystery.

2003-01-02 10:17:36

art chantry :

phil - again, huh?

2003-01-02 10:17:01

philaarts.com :

i really need a licence for my gun.

2003-01-02 10:16:00

art chantry :

and thank you (especially frank) for your insightful dismissal of my question - which remains unanswered. i think it's an interesting question? how does a look like this evolve so regionally? how do the players (in such a small competetive city) interact to create something olong these lines? i can think of a dozen ways that it can happen - and not a one of them involves paul rand or the internet. so, i'm curious, that's all. i'm interested in this stuff. i'm a student of posters history. is that ok with you guys?

2003-01-02 10:14:50

kozik :

Dope, guns and crapping in the streets!

2003-01-02 10:12:51

philaarts.com :

a guy who will have to pay tuition

2003-01-02 10:12:27

rockologist :

who wants to draw a road? i mean, i'd rather take a photo of it...drawing...HA!

2003-01-02 10:12:18

Cody Pomeroy :

I'm an illustrator going to school for design, what does that make me?

2003-01-02 10:11:50

philaarts.com :

last time i got a citation... goads gunna get a whoopin

2003-01-02 10:11:01

kozik :

I thought Philadelphia was a 'free excretion zone'.

2003-01-02 10:09:52

goad74 :

why did the graphic designer cross the road? So he wouldn't have to draw it.

2003-01-02 10:09:40

philaarts.com :

only if i get diapers.. that would rock. i could crap wherever i wanted.. shitting where you eat will be taken to the literal pinnacle of my life.

2003-01-02 10:08:45

rockologist :

because they were screwing the chicken? i hate designers.

2003-01-02 10:08:26

goad74 :

That's it Dave. We're putting you in a rest home.

2003-01-02 10:06:50

kozik :

why did the graphic designer cross the road?

2003-01-02 10:06:11

philaarts.com :

im really confused... paul rules...

2003-01-02 10:04:34

kozik :

easily accessible protien sources=more advanced forms of decoration.

2003-01-02 10:02:46

standard :

man, i'd rather have philaarts talk about paul westerberg.

2003-01-02 10:01:45

kozik :

Internet allows instant access to worldwide influence. This site is now Vector for disease. Regionality no longer a valid concept unless one is a connectionless Luddite.

2003-01-02 10:01:00

art chantry :

i'm still curious about the relationship of this artist to jeff and patent pending. work together? competitors? mentor/stuent? fans? regional style emerging? what?

2003-01-02 09:59:23

kozik :

Potlatch. I shall burn a lodge full of pelts and fishoil in your honor. Observe these large copper sheets..I toss them into the sea!

2003-01-02 09:56:17

art chantry :

no answer?

2003-01-02 09:54:27

art chantry :

i'm not aking about your realtionship to seattle, or your knowledge base. i'm asking about the pearl jam comment i guess. what was that about?

2003-01-02 09:50:04

philaarts.com :

good soundtrack and i know paul westerberg, does that count.. he put it together... nyquil is blue

2003-01-02 09:48:29

art chantry :

i'm not necessarily talking about goad's comments. what's YOUR point?

2003-01-02 09:48:03

goad74 :

It's not my fault, your knowledge of Seattle, begins and ends with the movie Singles.

2003-01-02 09:47:36

philaarts.com :

didnt offend me.... goad got me a little upset when he called me stupid.

2003-01-02 09:46:39

art chantry :

i don't understand what's going on here. did i say something that offended someone again?

2003-01-02 09:45:29

philaarts.com :

i heard its rainy in seattle.

2003-01-02 09:44:52

goad74 :

What the fuck do you know about Seattle, Dave? You are so stupid.

2003-01-02 09:44:30

art chantry :

so's my mom.

2003-01-02 09:42:04

philaarts.com :

just that they are familiar with the seattle scene too...

2003-01-02 09:41:13

art chantry :

phill - huh? esplain.

2003-01-02 09:39:04

philaarts.com :

i heard pearl jam knows alot about seattle too...

2003-01-02 09:29:18

art chantry :

since this artist is from seattle and i know how seattle works, i'd be really interested in finding out this artist's realationship to jeff kleinsmith and patent pending.

2003-01-02 09:19:33

El Negro Magnifico! :

It seems this guy really digs that type. He uses it well, I think.

2003-01-01 21:21:04

Dusty! :

i concur

2003-01-01 19:17:11

stinkbait :

reminds me of patent pending's Shane McGowan. I dig the upc at the bottom

2002-12-31 14:28:07

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