art chantry :

electr. - i think that's a GREAT idea! new rule: before you guys take on a project, you have to ask me if i want to do it first (since i'm so much more 'experienced".) good idea, electr.! actually, i've always found that the bigger the gig, the more likely it is that some unknown artist with blind hustle will get the poster job. over my "career" (chuckle) i've very (extremely) rarely (actually, never) been approached with an opportunity to do a major concert or band. it just doesn't work that way. you have to go out and grab the sucker before somebody else does. that's how it works, that's how it's done. i've never done that. don't have it in me any more. i like your new rule, better, electr.

2009-06-08 13:19:04

perkins :

You have to get up real close.

2009-06-08 10:18:07

hypo :

The "4 x "5 mini posters must have a bitch to read from the street.

2009-06-08 09:57:28

perkins :

Well now you know.

2009-06-08 09:52:20

hypo :

So all the posters in the AOR books actually hung in the streets? I didn't realize that.

2009-06-08 09:44:42

electr. :

more experienced artist? right! as a general rule, before any of us clowns on this site takes up a job, we should ask Chantry first, if he wants to do it.

2009-06-08 09:29:01

crosshair :

Gold coast slave ship bound for cotton fields, Sold in a market down in new orleans. Scarred old slaver know hes doin alright. Hear him whip the women just around midnight. Ah brown sugar how come you taste so good (a-ha) brown sugar, just like a young girl should A-huh. Drums beating, cold english blood runs hot, Lady of the house wondrin where its gonna stop. House boy knows that hes doin alright. You should a heard him just around midnight. Ah brown sugar how come you taste so good (a-ha) brown sugar, just like a black girl should A-huh. I bet your mama was a tent show queen, and all her boy Friends were sweet sixteen. Im no schoolboy but I know what I like, You should have heard me just around midnight. Ah brown sugar how come you taste so good (a-ha) brown sugar, just like a young girl should. I said yeah, I said yeah, I said yeah, I said Oh just like a, just like a black girl should. I said yeah, I said yeah, I said yeah, I said Oh just like, just like a black girl should.

2009-06-08 09:04:32

craig :

"Am I the only one that read a racial slur in this poster?" nope... i saw it too. had to read it a few times before i realized that it wasn't what i thought it was.

2009-06-08 08:41:02

Unitus :

please pm me first next time.

2009-06-08 08:09:34

steve w :

if it's okay with unitus, I'd just like to say, legit or not, this is horrid

2009-06-08 07:56:09

Grushkin :

Ok, then I'm saying "boo" to "vanity memorial posters." Zach Hobbs' latest batch: real rock posters. Disturbing, challenging, weird, wonderful. Oh, and promoting gigs besides.

2009-06-07 08:21:21

john seabury :

It's just a shame that a more experienced (or better, sorry but true) artist doesn't get the gig.

2009-06-06 23:12:25

Unitus :

this poster is as legit, if not more legit than probably half the posters on this website. no need to focus on this poster or this designer for this argument. i know for a fact that some other recent uploads are the exact same thing (vanity memorial posters for a venue/artist) and nobody's said boo on those. i also know that many artists used to (and some still do) operate on a quasi-bootleg system of unapproved artwork, and the sky still isn't falling. maybe it's because everyone has a hard-on for the stones, but let's let sleeping dogs lie, mmmkay?

2009-06-06 19:55:44

Nadine Y. Nakanishi :

it's hard making art for a brand that's all about branding the brand that's branded.

2009-06-06 17:38:35

Nadine Y. Nakanishi :

it's hard making art for a brand that's all about branding the brand that's branded.

2009-06-06 16:37:13

Grushkin :

I like a rock concert poster to have more meaning, purpose, and integrity than just a backstage decoration. And Zach Hobbs latest work proves (to me at least) there is meaning, purpose, and integrity in doing rock posters.

2009-06-06 15:56:34

swampviking :

The Decoder Ring / Bobby Dixon Rolling Stones poster kinda rules. Not sure what it was used for, but it's pretty damn great.

2009-06-06 12:19:55

deforgeo :

you know, i'm all for posters that are made as ads instead of just merch, but the idea of "street cred"? c'mon, we're a bunch of dweebs on a message board who argue about kaws and google illustrator tutorials in our spare time, the combined population of this website has about as much street cred as a magic: the gathering tournament

2009-06-06 11:04:11

Grushkin :

I'm underwhelmed.

2009-06-06 10:43:00

Unitus :

you're like, seeing it right now, man.

2009-06-06 08:25:13

Grushkin :

yeah I like posters that can only be seen with a backstage pass.

2009-06-05 21:01:38

scrojo :

which one ?

2009-06-05 15:00:46

MrBlonde7 :

Paul is a hippie.

2009-06-05 14:44:43

crosshair :

My compliments to the artist for maintaining good humor and staying reasonable throughout this rather odd convo. All these issues are relevant and worth discussing but I can't really understand what it is about this particular poster or artist that would make either the target of anyone's ire. It is what it is, nobody ever represented it as being something other than that...there's nothing sketchy or unethical going on... and here it is, in an open-source public archive, right where it should be. Of course I think that my own poster I did for The Meaningless Molecules, playing at Divey's at the corner of 437th & Nowhere, that I screenprinted and taped up on the street myself, is much cooler than this. But that's entirely subjective, and I have no beef with my aforementioned poster coexisting with this one on the GP.

2009-06-04 23:08:39

Grushkin :

As another band from the UK once sung, And in the end The love you take Is equal to the love you make Some here say there's nothing wrong--a poster serves many purposes, it can be made for many different reasons, not the least of which is a pay day. Well, my opinion is that, pretty as it is, it's still a paid-for wank job w. no street cred. A poster should work hard for the money. This one decorated the backstage. Death to false posters. Just sayin'.

2009-06-04 21:33:55

motownjc :

nothing against anyone else or what they collect.

2009-06-04 20:13:11

motownjc :

many collectors prefer posters that were actually used for advertising. i am one of them.

2009-06-04 20:12:46

getoutoftheleftlane :

i'm not really sure why people give a shit if posters "hit the street" or not. poster-making has found new markets and more success in recent history than maybe ever before. on one hand, as a former photographer who enjoys sitting back and lamenting the dawn of the digital age, i understand the urge for nostalgia. but, from where i'm sitting (albeit on the outside) it sure looks like there has been no better time to be gigposter artists. so, as long as the proper protocol was taken, what's the big beef, dudes? whether it's stapled to a pole, sold at a merch stand, or used to wipe keef's ass - who gives a sh*t? as long as people keep wanting the product and you all have jobs. but, what the hell do i know?

2009-06-04 20:10:28

Tenebrini :

I see screen prints around MPLS all the time. Some are even stuff I made.

2009-06-04 19:47:18

jbmix :

Ummm, had no idea this RS poster would create such an interesting philosophical convo. Gig vs. Commemorative. Poster morals. & Yes, not sold but given away, so doesn't interfere with the loads and loads (and loads) of RS merch. And like Art said, RS sells itself. A huge unstoppable RS machine. No need to have a poster on the street designed to sell tickets. And, umm, no to the racial slur, what!? And hey, wait a minute, I'm not a bro but a sister. Guess I better take my little poster and go look for www.commemorativeposters.com (smile)

2009-06-04 19:44:58

ZOMIC :

racial slur....holy fuck...rofl....great work Mixon...However you cut it I think its great you got to do a poster like this....whether anyone wants to admit it its nothing anyone would've passed up...kudos!

2009-06-04 19:27:10

Grushkin :

pretty clear this one didn't hit the street.

2009-06-04 18:28:46

john seabury :

Now that you mention it...no.

2009-06-04 18:00:27

MrBlonde7 :

Am I the only one that read a racial slur in this poster?

2009-06-04 17:47:52

Beto Ramirez :

Great stylizing on the RS logo.

2009-06-04 17:45:16

seriplop :

i have zero beef with any hired work. just wanted to throw my 2 cents in that we , and about 20 other local poster artists keep our cities streets covered in screenprints.

2009-06-04 17:29:58

Grushkin :

scrojo you're my HERO. seripop, you rule the streets of Montreal (I should have mentioned you and Yannick in the same sentence w. Paul Imagine). Shawn Kerri is who INSPIRES me. No flies on her, no bogus (maybe they are, maybe they aren't) posters 'n handbills for THAT punk. Real gig posters--do they still exist?

2009-06-04 17:17:48

lil_tuffy :

I don't understand the beef with this. It was contracted by the promoter 2 months before the gig. Are we shitting on someone for accepting a paying job that isn't aimed at the collector after-market?

2009-06-04 17:15:02

seriplop :

like paul imagine , our stuff is used in the streets to promote shows all the time. there are tons of "fancy" screenprints used on the streets in montreal

2009-06-04 17:12:03

scrojo :

well, this went in strange directions.

2009-06-04 17:10:30

Grushkin :

Teddy--I'm not a poster artist, merely a historian / documentarian. And I LOVE street posters. For years more than half my collection was bad-ass totally street-punk flyers. And I wasn't a punk either. Just someone who liked the audacity of the flyer. Nevertheless, with exception of Paul Imagine, whose work has roughed-up the streets of Sacto pretty frickkin' well, most of the work on gp is not stapled to telephone poles (and it's also hard to find in store windows). But it sure is beautiful stuff, and I absolutely love the real thing (unlike the bogus and the semi-bogus).

2009-06-04 16:53:59

TeddyPancake :

I went postering with screenprints just the other day. Even the fancy ones. Paul, face it. Your prints are totally fancy. Fancy!

2009-06-04 16:46:13

Grushkin :

Setting a moral standard, maybe. But it's why there are only a handful of Stones pieces on gp. They handle most of their promotional work in-house, and tour-based. I just looked at this one and, like w. Scrojo's reaction, it seemed an odd creation. Like, how did this come to be? And I kinda feel the same way about it like I do with historical re-creations, that have a whiff of bogosity about 'em. I really don't care one way or the other. I don't work for the Stones, or for Alltel. So good luck jbmix, carry on bro.

2009-06-04 16:43:15

imagine :

i put my screenprints on the street all the time... oh you said fancy screenprints mine ain't fancy

2009-06-04 16:26:01

art chantry :

grushkin - i think you are trying to establish a moral standard here, and i don't that's possible with gigposters any more. i think the only standard that exists here these days is a legal standard. if this is indeed an illegal poster (i.e. a copyright infringement), then the legal dudes will take care of it. beyond that. there isn't and shade of grey here of import, when the whole world turned grey, ya know? and (i repeat) it's the ROLLING STONES. who cares? let them fight for their pennies and leave us alone.

2009-06-04 16:00:03

Grushkin :

I also agree w. Art that the many posters on this site have a high level of implausibility. Postering in the streets ain't really done with fancy screenprints.

2009-06-04 15:59:48

Grushkin :

I think what Scrojo was trying to point out is that it's real unusual for, in this case, the Stones to look the other way when there's the creation of posters with their tongue logo. First of my two queries: Seems you're ok with Alltell commissioning current commemoratives (ie, within 2 months of the upcoming gig) with your understanding that they're used for the Arena's promotional purposes. Your posters are then non-merch (not re-sold) and also don't serve an advertising purpose. Right? But does Alltel have the permission of the band? From the Stones, in this case? This is kinda like hiring you to create free merch for the promoter using the band's logo. Was it done under a rider on the contract? My second query, somewhat related: Would everybody here be ok with, say, Live Nation commissioning (under license from the bands) historically important, re-created posters? Some artists here have been successful in creating licensed gigposters for gigs that never had a poster, historically speaking. But to my eyes, they never look exactly "right." And in that spirit--no offense meant--your Stones poster looked odd, as in, why and how was this created? I mean, it's not exactly a tour poster, ie commissioned by the Stones.

2009-06-04 15:54:37

Unitus :

nobody likes to do admats. this poster is as legit as most of them.

2009-06-04 15:40:47

art chantry :

i'm always the devil's advocate around gp,(i know). but, really, aren't like 75% (or much higher) of the posters on this sight pretty bogus anyway? for me, real postering went out the window when everybody started treating them as "art print collectibles" instead of crap hung on telephone poles. besides, the only people this rolling stones poster would appeal to as a collectible is the high end money grubbers out there. let them fight over it and leave us alone. i mean, c'mon. who cares? it's the rolling stones.

2009-06-04 15:37:43

jbmix :

Well, what I actually meant by "happily don't do that stuff" is that Alltel only has me do posters for major shows and these shows always have those slick, canned advertising images..no art, just photos with lots of bad type...sent ahead by the promoter to advertise in newspapers, etc. And Alltel allows me to ignore those (happily).

2009-06-04 15:25:37

getoutoftheleftlane :

how is that different than posters sold as merch that are never really used in "advertising" for the show? only this doesn't appear to have been sold, it was given away. what's the big deal? am i missing something?

2009-06-04 15:15:46

Grushkin :

so y'all are ok with "current commemoratives" that are basically given away as perks? but creating a new poster for a historic gig, in a commemorative sense, is not ok?

2009-06-04 14:35:59

slater :

I think jbmix was saying that he happily doesn't do posters after the shows have already happened in response to Grushkin...that's the way I read it. I could be wrong tho. The lettering on this is nice.

2009-06-04 14:30:30

Grushkin :

ok, so if Live Nation were to commission "historic commemoratives" for any significant concert, say, over the past 25 years, that would be ok because it's sanctioned?

2009-06-04 14:19:43

Grushkin :

ok, so if Live Nation were to commission "historic commemoratives" for any significant concert, say, over the past 25 years, that would be ok because it's sanctioned?

2009-06-04 14:18:08

crosshair :

typically "historic commemorative" correlates with unsanctioned fan art/bootlegging. That's the significant line.

2009-06-04 14:08:56

Grushkin :

is there a line to be drawn between "current commemorative" and "historic commemorative"? The SF Fillmore series continues to be "current commemorative" as is this one (a good one too) for the Stones On this site, people are pretty down on artists reaching back into history to do, say, a recreated poster for an early Iggy gig in Detroit.

2009-06-04 13:58:35

art chantry :

when it comes to the rolling stones, EVERYTHING is commemorative swag. why on earth do the stones need to 'advertise' with posters anyway? they sell out months in advance. when you get to this level, everything sorta becomes moot - except quality. and ANYTHING anybody can do to inject (pun) a little quality into the stones, well, good on them. i totally approve of this poster. the stones have had major stinko graphics for a couple of decades, now. that "big bang" record cover might have reached a new low. this is most definitely a step upward...

2009-06-04 12:04:50

Grushkin :

the continuing SF Fillmore series is "commemorative" in much the same way. But "real" gigposters are all about serving to advertise, so I don't get your comment about "(happily) not having to do that stuff."

2009-06-04 09:34:18

jbmix :

This was done about 2 months before the show. 500 offset prints. They distributed them selectively and used them the day of, backstage. Alltel definitely treats the posters I do for them as commemorative, and not so much as "advertising". (and I (happily) don't do that stuff)

2009-06-04 08:38:21

jbmix :

This was done about 2 months before the show. 500 offset prints. They distributed them selectively and used them the day of, backstage. Alltel definitely treats the posters I do for them as commemorative, and not so much as "advertising". (and I (happily) don't do that stuff)

2009-06-04 08:37:29

Grushkin :

is this a "commemorative" commissioned afterwards by Alltel Arena or an actual advertising piece distributed before the show? Just askin'.

2009-06-04 06:14:15

DirkStainly :

like this

2009-06-03 17:53:21

getoutoftheleftlane :

come on now, art. there's at least a few good stones posters in the last 25 years. and, the poster chavez did in '97 is arguably one of their best.

2009-06-02 20:36:56

scrojo :

cool. all the logos and small print look legit but....... the amount of heavy-hitters in your first posts seemed suspicious. color me wrong. i'll shut up now.

2009-06-02 20:21:04

crosshair :

take that scroj & rawbie

2009-06-02 16:07:08

jbmix :

Yes, legit! I do these for Alltel Arena....

2009-06-02 15:57:22

Robbie Fuct :

cool looking poster. hopefully its legit.

2009-06-02 15:07:13

swampviking :

BURWELL?!?!?!

2009-06-02 15:04:34

scrojo :

are all these legit or portfolio ???

2009-06-02 15:01:15

art chantry :

first decent stones poster in over 25 years.

2009-06-02 11:42:35

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