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"I think the reason that these got so many posts is that unlike many of the "painted" posters on the site these were coming from someone who had just pulled a complete change of direction from his previous stuff and people were questioning it."
Ding! Ding ! Ding!
We have a winner.
And the rest of the comments were shit talking.
I think the reason that these got so many posts is that unlike many of the "painted" posters on the site these were coming from someone who had just pulled a complete change of direction from his previous stuff and people were questioning it.
†Eh, vision- short memory huh?
vision 2002-11-24 13:01:30†
I actually like this one. No one is doing anything like this at the moment. I think the text is handled quite well. But Im not an art expert so I guess my 'real people' opinion doesnt count.
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These are indeed horrible specimens of 'poster design'.
If youd like to view one up close, they can be purchased from JermaineRogers.com
Holding one in your hands will clearly point out how badly this poster was done.
Ok- The painting itself detail or not is very stiking. It's very cool to see Jermaine or anyone set off on another path.He's done very well with the Bears and 72 and signature Jermaine work. Who are we to begrudge him pushing his work into new areas. The so called perameters of what is and what is not a "GIGPOSTER" has been hashed out in a too many forums to mention and will always fall subject to taste or lack there of. That is the greatest thing about doing posters. No art director and it can and often is shamelessly self serving. Like Kozik's toys this painting thing seems to be a new venture for Jermaine and will take time to perfect to his level of creativity and personal goals. Most of you motherfuckers that are bitching about "the change" probably haven't tried anything new since shoving a finger up your ass when you jerk off. Go on with your bad self Jermaine.
Acrylic is a medium of a thousand and one methods of execution. I'm not a big fan of thick and chunky wet on wet acrylic due to the mud trap. The paintings of Jermaine's I've seen so far have a level of muddiness to them.The eyes of this piece get very muddy and may have been better executed by layering the value without using black to retain the vibrant chromatic effect. Maybe this is his method and that's fine if it works for him. This is just my honest opinion.
Part of me agrees with Kozik and part of me disagrees. I think what Jermaine is doing lately is the start of something that really could be special but I disagree that his technique is so awful on this one. Kozik seems to be judging this poster by the standard of what a gigposter should look like- whatever that is. I think the technique is just fine right now. It catches my attention and says Coldplay to me in a new and interesting way. Are the people in this thread who are calling this poster amazing somehow wrong or faulty in their sense of art because they think this one is strong right now? So I agree and disagree with Kozik. I think the technique will grow and develop but I also think its very strong and effective right now.
one thing i have to say is that IF jermaine kept on doing the "same thing" people would crack on him, ala coop hess and others who seem to keep the same along all fronts...
its easy to crit something new by an established artist.. as opposed to most posters that get overlooked, if you tag a poster kozik, jermaine, etc.. then the more closely it can be torn down.
i like the painting alot. how it transfers into a good gig poster? prehaps does it spark more sales of tix etc? the design experts make some great points.. so ill defer to them.
his talent in painting is putting himself "out there" and is cool for him to try other things.. would be easy just to do teddy bears the rest of his life. it takes balls to go from a "sure thing payday" to experiment and see where the chips fall.
id also like to mention ive been friends with jermaine since 1998, but perfer to now say jermaine is a choad.. just sounds cooler.
the proof wont be what we say here, but the general publics response.. as they are the people who these things end up affecting the most.
On a side note, some art college in san francisco is offering a course in "VISUAL CRITICISM" ???.Used to be the guys in art college who couldnt do decent stuff were the first to have an opinion on everyone elses. Now they can bypass having to do any design at all, and concentrate on how to really tear something apart, without fear of someone seeing their own shite. It kind of leaves the criticised without any ammo. I wonder if they go on field trips to the design studio in the college.?
I dont doubt it, he has already proven himself to be unique and original. His older posters scream JERMAINE ROGERS. He achieved this through hand done type and instantly recognisable illustration. Through his own hand and line he defined himself. This is harder to do when taking a more traditional design approach with fonts and common design elements. a million different people are using the same letterforms and shapes in a million different ways. It takes a little more to make these your own and even more to use them in unique and original ways. Possibly jermaine has not experimented as much with using common design elements, as he has the ability to create his own?
i understand where he is coming from on these pieces and it is very valid. his technique just needs to catch up to his ideas which are solid.
once he gets a better technique his work will be strong.
I have had many long conversations with Jermaine about what he wants to do youd be surprised at the depth of his planning...he just needs time to develop a good `hand`
Frank I agree on all counts too. Jermaine has proven himself to have a strong appeal in the poster arena, and has developed a very strong unique style. He's spent years perfecting it and has contributed to the 'standard' conception of what a gigposter is and how the status quo percieves one in the 21st century. That is no small feat. I also agree, that many famous designers (brody comes to mind) are forced to reinvent themselves after over- saturation or a certain high level of recognition. its natural. It doesnt make everyone happy but thats not really the point. Its harder for designers or illustrators who have through being unique, gained 'fans'. Specifically regarding this poster though, It seems in an effort to shake 'the trap he built ' for himself, hes trying to move too far away, too quickly from his past work. This to me seems harmful, I think there is a middle ground somewhere between his old style and his new. As I already stated, this poster is confusing as to what the message is, and that comes from lack of /or ignoring how design communicates, but combined with some of the (now) standard aesthetics of modern gigposters which he himself helped standardize I think his paintings could work just as well as his illustrations did. It just seems odd to completely disregard all the trial and error design he has obviously done, and not keep some (design) aspect that make a jermaine poster, a jermaine poster. Im sure his painting in a short time will become as definitive of his work as his illustration has, but by keeping some of the lettering styles, layouts etc. he's perfected, these posters would more easily communcate 'gigposter'. Idont know much about jermaine, this is just vague speculation and commentary on my part.
look I really love Jermaine, but this is not a very good piece and in no way works for a gig poster but he should follow his muse and enjow his life.
cause that is what it is about. he is loving painting so he should do it as much as he wants.
I think he has proven himself to have a strong appeal in the poster arena
now he wants something different.
he makes a good living from his work and so in my book he wins and he isa great guy in real life.
give him some time you may be surprised.
I give him total respect for steppping way out of the trap he built for himself with the bears. a lesser man would just become the bear king.
In my opinion form should follow function, but that all depends on what side of the fence you sit on. In terms of design, which is essentially problem solving first, and spacial relation which is aesthetics, this poster does not function well. While not advocating "following the rules", there are certain symbolisms and aesthetics which have become over time, intrinsically linked to a certain emotion, product, service etc. For instance, construction machinery is for the most part always black and yellow. These colours say danger, caution etc just as a wasps colours do in nature. To paint a bulldozer blue, while being aesthetically pleasing and original in terms of breaking the mould, it confuses the message. In design the pre-existing, sometimes ancient conceptions, colours or symbolism should be acknowledged and not ignored. Your job is already half done, as these pre-conceptions and visual links already exist in peoples minds. Before they read even one word, the form and stylistics should have already given the viewer an good idea what its all about. This goes for something as simple as a gigposter. This design creates confusion as it conjures, through its layout, typography and of course the painting, the preconcieved aesthethic of a gallery show announcement. While it works as a poster for a gig, it only works after ive read every word. My mind has already decided what it is, and not being of any interest to me, I would pass this by and probably miss the show. My point is that if you overlook the history and subtle consistencies of communicating a certain message, which is the essence of design, you can not communicate effectively, and thus renders the design ineffective. That said, each of the elements on this poster arranged differently could communicate the message effectively.
It's not about the art first.
There's a very important thing in designing anything called the gestalt principle. The sum of the parts is greater than the sum of the whole. If you remove a part the compostion becomes weaker. This poster lacks cohesion. It's plug and play. Insert band name here. Place image.
As far as what's a gigposter supposed to look like, ask Jermaine. His words not mine.
This is just a weak composition.
I consider Jermaine a friend, I'd like to add.
'Richie Goodtimes' I dont understand. Whats a gigposter suposed to look like? Of course its about the art first or else they wouldve put the text on a blank piece of paper. This site is all about the art first on some level.
Vision, your opinion counts as much as anybody elses. The idea that only artists/designers can crit or comment on work is rediculous. I'd actualy prefer the non artist/designers comment. Thats who these posters are supposed to reach.
I know who this Cold Play band is becuase my girlfriend is all into them , even though I can't stand then, and this poster does seem to suit them...I respect that Jermaine's exploring new territory but his thing that 'it's not supposed to look like a gigposter' that piemel posted somewhere on here REALLY negates the validity of this poster as a gigposter. It's like all about his painting and the type looks like an after thought.
i think it works, you see posters advertising art wxhibitions like this so why wouldn't it work for a gig? i have to admit that i don't think the painting itself is particularly brilliant, jermaine's illustration is his main strength, i don't think anyone would question that, but as far as this style of poster goes i don't think theres anything wrong with it at all and i'd like to see jermaine do more of it.
yeah, i think it was a designer 'inside joke' thing that jack summerford did to promote himself on a t-shirt at an aiga convention back in chicago. it wasn't a real ad at all, but a promo joke thirty years too late. but if it HAD been to promote helvitica back around the time it was released ('57?) it would have been a brilliant piece of typography. now, 30 years later, it's just clever. time marches on....
Hynes, i know what you are talking about. I think it was actually done in the late seventies or early eighties. It was done by a pretty well known Dallas designer named Jack Summerford. He used to have it on t-shirts also. Just the word Helvetica in white inside a red box.
Art - I know what you mean, like the 'communication arts' of the 60's etc. Also I do appreciate the simple typographic wit of that stuff. Remember a poster advertising the arrival (or re-introduction) of Helvetica ? im not sure it was from that period but the poster was one word - hevetica, spelled out in times roman, the most commonly used face beforehand. Ingenius. It said such a huge amount without trying very hard. I'll try and find a picture of it.
hynes - i think you may think i'm talking about 'type catalogs' like that letraset book you mentioned. i'm actually talking about old art dirctor's annuals and old print magazines and poster annuals and advertising books. anything that had high-end 'graphic design' featured. study they way they organize the type and how they infuse the letterforms with hidden meanings that reinforce the overall message, the simple placement of a word or the weight of a body text can end up getting the whole message across. a LOT of brillant stuff to study an learn from.
i frankly would recommend any design annual from the period 1957 through 1964. spend time studying the incredible TYPOGRAPHY from that period. it's a peak period of inventive and inspired creative thinking about type and lettering.
Stop Stealing Sheep (& find out how type works) I think its out of print, but you can still find it for about $15. Excellent book on the fundamentals of good type design. Unlike any other on the subject.
i've been holding off on commenting on these new jermaine posters (cuz he and i don't get on). but they are striking because of the idea of the PAINTING as a source of image. very very few posters on this site use paintings as a starting point for a poster design. there's lots of line work and sketching and process work, but paintings? nope. i think it's a whole territory that many of you could enjoy exploring...
however, i think these are BAD posters, largely because the typography and the DESIGN of the posters are really terrible. interesting image, bad design. these are almost textbook examples of how not to do this stuff. jermaine would do well to spend some time studying the art of TYPOGRAPHY or even LETTERING or even just start examining good layout and design books. he could learn an enormous amount very quickly on his own. can anybody out there suggest books he could study? i could make a list, but i think it would be nice to see what you folks found useful in learning the skill of design.
this is a wonder painting. no doubt about it. i know this to be true.
as for the text layout etc.. prehaps saying its not big enough to promote etc.. i can see your points.. but i see alot of other posters with chicken scratch for text that is harder to read than this, and its just slapped in the middle.. but i can see the argument.. just think in the 1,000s of posters i have gone through this really isnt that much of a problem..
if we worry about just advertising, then throw out all these posters, and just use ad mats..
but this is a strong painting. text isnt my skill at all.. but its a great work.
Hmmmmm.... I like everything but where and how 'coldplay' is placed. I think I would have liked it better incorporated into the painting somehow....
I would like to know if this is screenprinted or offset. Jermy, if it's offset, you need to let Jeff separate one of your paintings for screenprint. :) It would be incredible screened on black paper..... although, the offsets look very nice with this type of image!
this in no way says "gigposter" to me. want to know what it says? senior art exhibition in the cress gallery of fine art - december 18-24. I'm all for experimentation, but this just isn't cutting it for me...but maybe I'm just extremely short-sighted and simple-minded.
if jermaine is going to be shot, this will kinda help me in the long run.. but id let him live first..
see like in his pinkie finger he has more talent that most of us..
besides richie that is.. i am torn between 2 taboo loves.. one with a black man one with a man who wears masks.
New Jermaine is moving away from Old Jermaine too quickly and Jermaine is getting lost in the process. Paint if you wanna paint, Jermaine. Make posters if you wanna make posters, but don't force your paintings to be posters.
I agree with you dave, seeing the physicality of the paint is a nice thing. I just think in the context of this image, it may have worked better if the painting was abstract and the text was somehow not so divorced from it.
what i do like is the detail, i assume its drumscanned of some sort.. im into paintings.. by having it detailed like this, you can see the strokes etc.. the canvas.. so as a painter (yeah i know my posters suck,but i can really paint). i love this... it sorta guides me in depth..
biped its cool jermaine loves everyone...
anyway, i really did this, since he doesnt hang out i figured id take over the jermaine name.. so really you are criting me.. and i hate myself so its totally cool.
I knew I was gonna have to be the dissenter on this one. Firstly, the band name seems very squashed up on the top. And it may as well say, "painting by Jermaine Rogers" 'cause that what this image is all about. The painting has a very unfinished look to it that I can't get into, and a muddy, primary pallette that dosen't do much for it. And to top it off, it is a detail of a painting. Personally (and remember folks, before you flame, this is MY opinion) I think using a detail of a painting that is loose and "painterly" to begin with does not work. Forgive me Jermaine if this IS the ENTIRE painting, but it appears to be a detail to me.
Anyway... hey, we've come full circle! This is how I started on this site, by criticizing Jermaine's work. And then I was bashed for doing so, but... fuck it. I don't care. Bash me again, tear me a new one.
I don't like this poster.